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I think here, to bring up something Cenk said (the guy speaking in the video), there is a time and place where community is an important reality.  Putting out fires is a community concern, and has to be taken care of.  If you have an issue that is a county issue, then it needs to be resolved there.  I believe that the concerns of the community here override whether or not someone is a cheapskate or not.



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Taxes are a good thing when used right, wasting the money on someone who wont pay a tax would of been wroung.

They did a good job coming and stopping it spreading to the people who did pay. I just wish other goverments would follow suit and stop giving so much damn money away. Hell think how good the UK would be if the only money they spent on the immigrants was a ticket home, but no each family costs the tax payer over a million a year.

Back on topic the firefighters are probally getting underbudget due to putting out peoples fires that dont pay, and this is there wakeup call to people.



richardhutnik said:

I think here, to bring up something Cenk said (the guy speaking in the video), there is a time and place where community is an important reality.  Putting out fires is a community concern, and has to be taken care of.  If you have an issue that is a county issue, then it needs to be resolved there.  I believe that the concerns of the community here override whether or not someone is a cheapskate or not.

The person acting against the community is the guy who doesn't want to pay the tax. He's the selfish one who's only out for hiw own interest.



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oldschoolfool said:
sapphi_snake said:
NJ5 said:

It would be interesting to see the reactions if the neighbor's house had completely burned down as well from the spread of the fire.

Then maybe people would realize that an effective fire department can't be selective in what fires it puts down. You can't have an effective fire department paid with optional taxes.

True, but most people are sadly cheapskates.

Do you have a bunch of money? I sure don't,I'm a cheapskate,I'll blow money every now and again,but most of the time I try to save money.

I don't have a bunch of money, BUT when it comes to my safety and the safety of my family and of others, I can certainly spare $75.



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sapphi_snake said:
NJ5 said:


Maybe, but I think it reflects even more negatively on the country, which presents itself as civilized but can't guarantee the most basic of services to its citizens. Things like setting up military bases around the world are, in practice, guaranteed by the taxes Americans pay, but such a primary thing as fire protection isn't.

Ponder on that for a while...

True, but this is mainly a reflection of the genral atitude of many Americans (who hate taxes so much that they're willing to give up on public services like fire protection).

The problem in the United States isn't that Americans are unwilling to pay taxes to provide adequate essential services, the problem is that the money collected is used to pay for so many non-essential services that core services are underfunded.  People like to blame "the military" for this, but the military is an essential service, only takes up a small portion of the federal budget, and this is a problem in state and municipal governments (which don't pay for the military).



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sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

I think here, to bring up something Cenk said (the guy speaking in the video), there is a time and place where community is an important reality.  Putting out fires is a community concern, and has to be taken care of.  If you have an issue that is a county issue, then it needs to be resolved there.  I believe that the concerns of the community here override whether or not someone is a cheapskate or not.

The person acting against the community is the guy who doesn't want to pay the tax. He's the selfish one who's only out for hiw own interest.

There are individuals with a libertarian bent in their life philosophy, who believe communities are a myth and the only thing that exists are individuals who negotiate contracts among themselves.  They don't want to live anywhere others make demands on them and they have to go along with what the group says.  Ayn Rand's "enlightened self-interest" fits into this.



In the report it says the house owners said they were prepared to pay anything to have the fire put out. If this is true they should of put out the fire and got them to pay more than they would have otherwise.



forget all the right wrong bs.

The idiot fire man risked the fire spreading beyond their control. 

US is a joke. 



richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

I think here, to bring up something Cenk said (the guy speaking in the video), there is a time and place where community is an important reality.  Putting out fires is a community concern, and has to be taken care of.  If you have an issue that is a county issue, then it needs to be resolved there.  I believe that the concerns of the community here override whether or not someone is a cheapskate or not.

The person acting against the community is the guy who doesn't want to pay the tax. He's the selfish one who's only out for hiw own interest.

There are individuals with a libertarian bent in their life philosophy, who believe communities are a myth and the only thing that exists are individuals who negotiate contracts among themselves.  They don't want to live anywhere others make demands on them and they have to go along with what the group says.  Ayn Rand's "enlightened self-interest" fits into this.


I don't think you understand what libertarianism is ...



Kasz216 said:
Farmageddon said:
Kasz216 said:

Oh for sure, that's on his local government though... not the fire department or their government.

The fire department and their city can't FORCE them to do it though.

I'm sorry if I'm not following you, kind of drunk right now, but can't his government tax them, and then use the money to hire the other city to the firefighting? What would the problem be with that?

There wouldn't be... except they're unwilling to do so.

There isn't anything the firedepartment and the departments government can do if his government doesn't want such a law.

If there even is a government in place.  Honestly he might just live on completely unincorporated land.

Sure. And that's exactly what you said before. Shouldn't drink and try to think :P

Edit: Btw, reading the rest of the posts since then, I agree it's mostly on the very people who are against this tax. They put everyone else on an impossible situation.