This is what i am thinking:
Toshiba is crazy and will fail for selling 20 inch TVs for around 3000 $. How much would it be for the bigger sizes? god knows, but it doesnt look promesing.
This is what i am thinking:
Toshiba is crazy and will fail for selling 20 inch TVs for around 3000 $. How much would it be for the bigger sizes? god knows, but it doesnt look promesing.
| Frank_kc said: This is what i am thinking:
Toshiba is crazy and will fail for selling 20 inch TVs for around 3000 $. How much would it be for the bigger sizes? god knows, but it doesnt look promesing.
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early adopters always get burnt, they pay the price for having it early, specifically in the form of, high prices and limited functionality.
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since now you all know that glass-less huge tv's that are affordable and practical are years away i think we should just all gree that maybe haveing 3d tv with glasses is not such a bad thing afterall
it's the future of handheld

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| jneul said: since now you all know that glass-less huge tv's that are affordable and practical are years away i think we should just all gree that maybe haveing 3d tv with glasses is not such a bad thing afterall |
so because practical cheap technology is years away we should get expensive flawed technology today?
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zarx said:
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No you read it all wrong, 3d-tv's with glasses are way more practical than this newer technology at the moment, even when you consider you have to wear glasses, in my opinion it's better than being restricted to x amount of positions and having to pay 10x the amount my TV cost me, and finally 3d-tv's with galsses are cheaper, and will continue to get cheaper, until they sort out their issues with the newer technology i will not be buying a glass-less 3d-tv
also it's just my opinion, i'm not forcing you to think the same way
it's the future of handheld

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| drkohler said: "Toshiba's new glasses-free 3D televisions have the same electronic brain as the PlayStation 3." No sorry to disappoint everyone. There never was a Cell processor in any of Toshiba's TV sets. The "older" Toshiba TV processor unit contains four SPU's, NO CPU core and a lot of additional video circuitry. The four SPUs are used for image enhancement, the video circuitry simultaneously decodes/encodes several video streams (obviously there is no need for general purpose CPU here). I have not seen any technical specs for these glass free TV sets but it is highly unlikely they contain anything even remotely resembling a PS3 cell processor unit. |
ok 1) in fact yes it is a Cell processor
that Toshiba is using in these TV's. which by the way they have been using for quite a while. If you would have done a lil more research drkohler you would know it's exactly the same Spe core processor's that are infact in the PS3.
2) and no need for general purpse processor's!
hey buddy "SPE" processor are general purpose CORE processor's!
SPE's are processing cores!
"Responding to our story last Thursday on the release by IBM that morning of the 1.0 specs, Cell's chief architect, Dr. H. Peter Hofstee, advised us not to characterize the SPEs as specialized co-processors, dedicated to occasional tasks such as graphics or arithmetic. In that story, we compared SPEs to the co-processors of old, and characterized them as subordinate to the principal processing element of the Cell system, the Power Processing Element (PPE), based on the existing PowerPC architecture. But in doing so, Dr. Hofstee warned, we tended toward a trap into which others have fallen, in which the role of the SPEs appears to be reduced in importance. More than just co-processors, Dr. Hofstee said, the SPEs are fully-capable processing units that are capable not only of running threads spawned off from a main program, but also running "single-core," scalar programs in their entirety - not only multithreading, but multitasking."
please note:
"But also, in making that distinction, Dr. Hofstee wanted to make certain we recognized the Cell as a powerful general-purpose processor. "[Cell] is already fairly general-purpose, even today," he said, "but of course, over time, we expect it to go even further. Over time, [whether] it is going to become the new general-purpose standard, that is to be determined." In characterizing the general-purpose nature of Cell, he told us that development systems used by IBM today are running Linux, and that general-purpose applications are being developed using a suite of Linux-based tools.
Hofstee told us that PlayStation 3 plans to use a high-end graphics processor to complement the Cell CPU. "So that concept was there from the very beginning," he said, "that we would complement the more general-purpose processor. Quite clearly, even though Cell can be pretty darned good at pushing polygons, that is not its reason for being in the game console."
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ibm-lead-architect-cell-cpu-ps3-gaming,1336.html
what's that the Lead designer of the Cell SPE's who happens to have a docterate happens to say otherwise..wow who would of ever thought..lol
as for specs:
We got a chance to check out pre-production versions of the TV at Toshiba's booth today, in particular the 2D-to-3D conversion and the new KIRA 2 local dimming panel. The converted material we saw was prerecorded, not converted in real-time as it will have to be on a production Cell TV, but overall the 3D effect was obvious and, in some cases, pretty impressive. In others it looked weird and either too flat or too 3-dimensional, and the foregrounds in particular were often too forward in perspective. As for the local dimming panel, it certainly had brighter whites and deeper blacks than the SV670 comparison panel next to it, although in some scenes those whites looked way too bright, almost searing in the dark demo room. Of course, any demo with pre-production units in a controlled environment shouldn't be taken as a true indicator of real-world performance.
Toshiba ZX900 series features:
We asked Toshiba to elaborate on specific models and were told that the Cell TV series would be available in two distinct series, dubbed Genesis and Illusion, and that Genesis will carry the ZX900 model number. Toshiba will get back to us with model numbers for the three screen sizes in the Illusion series, so we'll update those when we get them. Aside from cosmetics and screen size, the main difference between the two series will be local dimming panel technology; the Illusion models will not get the new KIRA 2 panel, and so should cost significantly less.
Toshiba ZX900 Genesis series:
Toshiba Illusion series (model number TBD):
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-31045_1-10426789-269.html
and yes it is the same Cell processor that's in the PS3 though somewhat modified
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please note that sony have this baby as well so if 3D-Tv ever takes off you can bet that one day they may well make this as a product we can all buy in the fututre (obviously will be even better)
it's the future of handheld

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jneul: It's nice that you retyped all the marketing info on the Cell processor, but again:
There is no CPU in Toshiba's TV sets. The chip contains 4 SPUs that are hardcoded to enhance the images - they are not used as programmable general purpose processors since there is no multithreaded processing unit at all inside the chip, simply because the TV set is not a computer, it is a TV set that has one task to do - to show you nice pictures. Since it takes a lot of tranistor space to simultaneously decode several video streams, the CPU was tossed out. Saves a lot of space and heat. Yes, marketing calls it a (Sony) Cell processor - but it isn't.
| drkohler said: jneul: It's nice that you retyped all the marketing info on the Cell processor, but again: There is no CPU in Toshiba's TV sets. The chip contains 4 SPUs that are hardcoded to enhance the images - they are not used as programmable general purpose processors since there is no multithreaded processing unit at all inside the chip, simply because the TV set is not a computer, it is a TV set that has one task to do - to show you nice pictures. Since it takes a lot of tranistor space to simultaneously decode several video streams, the CPU was tossed out. Saves a lot of space and heat. Yes, marketing calls it a (Sony) Cell processor - but it isn't. |
CONTRADICTIONS FTW
PS THE CELL HAS ALWAYS BEEN SPU BASED(MOST PROGRAMMING IS RUN THROUGH THERE), AND JUST BECAUSE THIS ONE IS HARDCODED(POSSIBLY CONTROLLED BY UPGRADABLE FIRMWARE) AND NOT A COMPUTER DOES NOT MAKE IT ANY LESS OF A CELL THAN THE PS3 CELL, MODIFIED VERSION IT IS, NOW PLEASE STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF
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jneul said:
PS THE CELL HAS ALWAYS BEEN SPU BASED(MOST PROGRAMMING IS RUN THROUGH THERE), AND JUST BECAUSE THIS ONE IS HARDCODED(POSSIBLY CONTROLLED BY UPGRADABLE FIRMWARE) AND NOT A COMPUTER DOES NOT MAKE IT ANY LESS OF A CELL THAN THE PS3 CELL, MODIFIED VERSION IT IS, NOW PLEASE STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF |
wo wo there is no need for all caps here. And if what he said about it just being a CELL based 4 SPU chip is true then the TV truly has a very small relation to the PS3. Saying it has the same chip as the PS3 would be like saying the iPad has the same chip as the NDS because they both have ARM based CPUs, while they are derived from the same architecture and designer they are totally different chips. Having said that the TV does have a chip in the same family as the PS3.
Anyway hope you don't get banned
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