I am not the person who has a problem with individuals receiving money they didn't earn, whether it be charity, inheritance, or government hand outs.  I do believe completely getting rid of the inheritance tax would do major damage to helping charities though.  I mention what I did, because apparently when people argue against welfare, saying how people shouldn't get stuff they didn't earn, you usually find these same individuals defending the abolition of the inheritance tax.  The issue then isn't that people shouldn't get things they didn't earn, but that rich people's shouldn't have what they possess imposed upon in any way, even when they are dead. 

And what of the case of the said lazy person, who apparently doesn't have the motivation to work, or sees a reason for it, or who can't afford food.  Should this person be left to die?  Or in cases also where people just can't work.  In my case, I am laid up with a back/leg issue which cost me a part-time janitor position I had, and hadn't been able to be employable at anything white collar.  I do want to do work, but not reveals itself.  Even low level IT work, like helpdesk would be fine now, but not reveals itself.

"And should we leave people to die if they can't afford food? That's an interesting question, because I'm sure you'd be quick to say no..."

I took that to mean that you wouldn't necessarily be quick to say no.

Well as for your point about inheritance/welfare I think you make a very interesting argument. In both cases people are getting money they don't "deserve" or in other words hasn't worked to get. I do think the one major difference is, however, that inheritance is money that your parents worked their entire lives to get and had enough left over to pass down to their children. Welfare on the other hand is money that is being taken from you and given to a complete stranger possibly in a different part of the country. I have no problem with inheritance because its money your family worked hard to get and you have the right to pass it down to your children; but welfare on the other hand is a great thing but too often its abused by lazy people who aren't even trying to find jobs.

And as for your question about should a lazy person with no motivation to work be "left to die" or in less dramatic terms "be left to fend for themselves" then I think yes. Now before you call me a jackass I'm only saying someone with no desire what-so-ever to work or find a job should be left on their own. As long as a person is making an honest effort to find meaningful work (or even volunteering) then they should be helped by the government. I just don't want to see my hard earned tax dollars going to a guy who doesn't work and is making no effort to find a job.

Now a person like yourself who is off work with an injury and is looking for other work, is entitled to some assistance I think.

people would really rather people were on the streets and stealing and shit than being given shelter and food and stuff by the government?

you fellas know of something called compassion per chance? I guess not...

Compassion is real when it comes from a persom giving of their own to help someone, rather than money that was taken from others and put in a pool and fought over.  It is easy to have compassion when it isn't your money that is spent.

I have a Masters degree in Information Systems, a BS degree in Management, and years of experience.  My verbal comprehension and communication IQ tested around 140 (near top 1%).  The only work I shouldn't be able to do now is manual labor with heavy lifting (lost a part-time janitor spot due to the condition), which begs why I would fit into that with my background.  I should be suitable to do mental work where I can work on my back.  The irony is that my effectiveness now to find employment is on par with when I was looking much heavier because I could do anything.  The gotcha here is the principle of private property and giving being voluntary.  Either it should be and the chips fall where they may, or government steps in.

In all this, I am still trying to work here. I get no compensation except family handouts and from church.  So, I am trying to get something going.  Looking into helping others find work, or at least meaningful volunteer work that then could lead to employment (see the GodIsHiring link below to the facebook group).

On a related not here, the word "slothfulness", which is connected to laziness, has a connection to depression.  It involves an abandonment of hope.  I would say the bulk of lazy people have generally been robed of hope and have no basis for motivation to do anything (motive or reason to do is at the heart of motivation).  Circumstances in life can totally rob someone of reasons to be and do.  I have seen this battling things myself, where repeatedly not getting anywhere can cause one to even give up the will to live.

imo the human race should all work together to make all our lives better, security, shelter, healthcare, education, food, water, stuff like this all people should have so we can all be the best people we can be, arbitrary shit need not divide us, what we have in common is our flesh and blood, and that should unite us, together our species can be the best it can be, we can better our own lives, and those of the whole of our species, call me anything you llike for thinking this, but I will want whats best for my species till im dead

together, we as a people can make things better for each other, we can help and support each other, make sure we all become the best humans we can  be, this wont only make us feel great, but every other human too :)

If this is the case... why did more fisically conservative countries like Australia not have many problems during the financial bailout... while finacially liberal countries like England, Greece and Iceland had all the trouble?

The Buddha Maitreya believes that we should amass all the wealth in the world and divide it by who can hold their breath the longest. Those who take a shot to the knee with a hammer get to take a breath of pure oxygen.