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ChronotriggerJM on 08 December 2007
madskillz said:
misterd said:
BR is already dominating, with sales at 2:1 or 3:1. The problem is HDDVD is too stubborn to die, and are trying to pay off studios to keep the format alive a litle longer (I believe the Paramount exclusivity contract expires after 2008).

As is, the PS3 is losing a good chunk of change for Sony, and I doubt that they had planned on having 2 price cuts within the span of 6 months. I think they are doing all that they can do at this point. I would not expect another price drop until this spring at the earliest.

The irony is that the BR is part of what makes the PS3 so expensive, and thus shares a good deal of blame for that systems' low sales, but at the same time the PS3 sales are great next to stand alone HD players, so the PS3 is the thing that gave the 360 the edge. I can only wonder what would have happened had the 360 launched with built in HD, or Sony had launched without it.


Actually, the PS3 is the only thing keeping BR ahead. In a standalone fight, HD DVD is whipping the devil out of BR. However, the PS3 sales are counted as BR sales, and with a lackluster gaming lineup, gamers have no real choice but to buy BR movies while they wait for more good games. Ironically, another report, though older, said that 79 percent of HD movie/hardware sales were video-game related.

Source: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070115-8625.html

Toshiba states they are, not Sony, leading in standalone HD players sold:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hardware/Toshiba/CEDIA/Toshiba_Refutes_Sonys_Claims_of_Blu-ray_Stand-Alone_Player_Dominance/943

And those NPD numbers put HD DVD players at 55 percent, with standalone BR players at 42 percent. Those numbers don't include the 360 HD DVD add-on, nor the PS3.

This format war is far from over. Until Sony and the BR camp can counter Black Friday $99 HD DVD players that also include free HD DVD movies, it will be a long, drawn-out war. I could see if there was a clear-cut advantage to owning a BR player, except the better movie lineup, but everything else is exactly the same - with HD DVD players, with Internet access, have many, many more Web-based features and my personal favorite, region-free movie playback.


 PS3's are definitely keeping Blu-ray afloat, but again like you stated it's only a 55/45 ratio for standalones, even without the PS3 it's still standing on it's own considering the price difference between the two.



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Jandre02 on 08 December 2007

lackluster you say? I think you need to get over this "sony has no games." non sense. That died a long time ago. Man your always on this site bashing the PS3. Cant you find anything a little bit more clever than that?

And as far as standalone players go, Sony is the cheapest blu-ray player. Why would someone spend more money on a blu-ray player just to avoid buying a PS3? Bottom line is that Blu-Ray is destroying HD-DVD, and there is no sign of it turning around.

You opinion that the war is "far from over" has no base. Counter what? I dont get this whole "standalone player" bs. Who care whether its a PS3 or not?
You really think everyone is accidentally getting a blu-ray player wit the PS3?

Desperation. You are desperate to make something out of these horrible sales for HD-DVD and there is nothing there. Corny.



ChronotriggerJM on 08 December 2007
@Jan

 

Well I agree with the whole PS3 has no games statement, I think it had a far better year than the 360 did, but on the other side of the argument there really is no "spanking" of either format, there both so small in the market at the moment, bluray obviously has the advantage with players and disk's selling, but it's kind of a tossup at this point. 



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krik on 08 December 2007
madskillz said:
misterd said:
BR is already dominating, with sales at 2:1 or 3:1. The problem is HDDVD is too stubborn to die, and are trying to pay off studios to keep the format alive a litle longer (I believe the Paramount exclusivity contract expires after 2008).

As is, the PS3 is losing a good chunk of change for Sony, and I doubt that they had planned on having 2 price cuts within the span of 6 months. I think they are doing all that they can do at this point. I would not expect another price drop until this spring at the earliest.

The irony is that the BR is part of what makes the PS3 so expensive, and thus shares a good deal of blame for that systems' low sales, but at the same time the PS3 sales are great next to stand alone HD players, so the PS3 is the thing that gave the 360 the edge. I can only wonder what would have happened had the 360 launched with built in HD, or Sony had launched without it.


Actually, the PS3 is the only thing keeping BR ahead. In a standalone fight, HD DVD is whipping the devil out of BR. However, the PS3 sales are counted as BR sales, and with a lackluster gaming lineup, gamers have no real choice but to buy BR movies while they wait for more good games. Ironically, another report, though older, said that 79 percent of HD movie/hardware sales were video-game related.

Source: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070115-8625.html

Toshiba states they are, not Sony, leading in standalone HD players sold:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hardware/Toshiba/CEDIA/Toshiba_Refutes_Sonys_Claims_of_Blu-ray_Stand-Alone_Player_Dominance/943

And those NPD numbers put HD DVD players at 55 percent, with standalone BR players at 42 percent. Those numbers don't include the 360 HD DVD add-on, nor the PS3.

This format war is far from over. Until Sony and the BR camp can counter Black Friday $99 HD DVD players that also include free HD DVD movies, it will be a long, drawn-out war. I could see if there was a clear-cut advantage to owning a BR player, except the better movie lineup, but everything else is exactly the same - with HD DVD players, with Internet access, have many, many more Web-based features and my personal favorite, region-free movie playback.


 55/42? There's like 3% missing in there :) Anyway even if it's 55/45 for HDDVD, that means very little since these are NDP numbers (NA only) and the rest of the world doesn't even know HDDVD exists (it's like 90/10 for Blu).



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Kasz216 on 09 December 2007
Renar said:

Is there something more that Sony can do to the PS3 to give it a lower price faster and thus get BlueRay to be the single format over HD DVD?

I see where going with the 40G, no backwards capability, helps Sony to lower the price. While others say that they can't/shouldn't drop the PS3 price, what current feature would you be willing to give up, for a cheaper PS3 even sooner?

And, in your opinion, how much should Sony be willing to sell below cost to get BR as the acknowledged HD format?


 Payoff the other makers of Blu-ray players.  No doubt they had to go to them to get the go ahead to make the 40 gig PS3... and will need to get permission to make an even cheaper PS3 blu-ray player.

I mean why else would inferior Sony Blu-ray players actually cost more then the 40 gig PS3?



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plzdontbanme on 09 December 2007

That's the billion dollar question.



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Peter Potamus on 09 December 2007

Um, for the people saying the DVD is dominating the market, let me remind you. Blu ray and HD DVD are not competing against DVD. They are fighting over the DVD market.

So far, Blu ray has the advantage in studio support, software and hardware sales. And we will see in a few years how much penetration there will be between both formats.



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eab on 09 December 2007

HD-DVD will just keep buying studies to stay afloat as long as they want. You can't out spend GE (Universal studios) and Sony has no lack of enemies (like MS) that will jump in the fray to give more funds to HD-DVD.

There will be no winner, dual formats players will be the standard.



Kasz216 on 09 December 2007
Peter Potamus said:
Um, for the people saying the DVD is dominating the market, let me remind you. Blu ray and HD DVD are not competing against DVD. They are fighting over the DVD market.

So far, Blu ray has the advantage in studio support, software and hardware sales. And we will see in a few years how much penetration there will be between both formats.

 Laser Disc was in a similar situation.  How'd that work out?



madskillz on 09 December 2007
krik said:
madskillz said:
misterd said:
BR is already dominating, with sales at 2:1 or 3:1. The problem is HDDVD is too stubborn to die, and are trying to pay off studios to keep the format alive a litle longer (I believe the Paramount exclusivity contract expires after 2008).

As is, the PS3 is losing a good chunk of change for Sony, and I doubt that they had planned on having 2 price cuts within the span of 6 months. I think they are doing all that they can do at this point. I would not expect another price drop until this spring at the earliest.

The irony is that the BR is part of what makes the PS3 so expensive, and thus shares a good deal of blame for that systems' low sales, but at the same time the PS3 sales are great next to stand alone HD players, so the PS3 is the thing that gave the 360 the edge. I can only wonder what would have happened had the 360 launched with built in HD, or Sony had launched without it.


Actually, the PS3 is the only thing keeping BR ahead. In a standalone fight, HD DVD is whipping the devil out of BR. However, the PS3 sales are counted as BR sales, and with a lackluster gaming lineup, gamers have no real choice but to buy BR movies while they wait for more good games. Ironically, another report, though older, said that 79 percent of HD movie/hardware sales were video-game related.

Source: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070115-8625.html

Toshiba states they are, not Sony, leading in standalone HD players sold:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hardware/Toshiba/CEDIA/Toshiba_Refutes_Sonys_Claims_of_Blu-ray_Stand-Alone_Player_Dominance/943

And those NPD numbers put HD DVD players at 55 percent, with standalone BR players at 42 percent. Those numbers don't include the 360 HD DVD add-on, nor the PS3.

This format war is far from over. Until Sony and the BR camp can counter Black Friday $99 HD DVD players that also include free HD DVD movies, it will be a long, drawn-out war. I could see if there was a clear-cut advantage to owning a BR player, except the better movie lineup, but everything else is exactly the same - with HD DVD players, with Internet access, have many, many more Web-based features and my personal favorite, region-free movie playback.


55/42? There's like 3% missing in there :) Anyway even if it's 55/45 for HDDVD, that means very little since these are NDP numbers (NA only) and the rest of the world doesn't even know HDDVD exists (it's like 90/10 for Blu).


The missing 3 percent is for combination players.