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Climate Change Deniers/Skeptics or Believer?

Climate change believer. ... 80 52.63%
 
Climate change skeptic/denier. 41 26.97%
 
Unsure about climate change: fence sitter. 17 11.18%
 
Candy!!! 14 9.21%
 
Total:152

Obviously the argument isn't whether global warming occurs but whether or not it is becoming more rapid due to man-made causes starting with the Industrial Revolution.  Personally I have no problem with people questioning whether or not man is causing it.  However, what I do have a problem with is people claiming that the scientists are wrong when they don't even have the ability to prove the scientists who claim it wrong.  I'm all for being on the fence about things, but don't make truth claims about stuff that you not only have no idea about whatsoever, but also on one that you claim to know more than a Phd.  A little Socratic wisdom as a good piece of advice.

Me personally, obviously I'm not a scientist in that field.  I have taken a class in environmental science, and a few other courses that deal with global warming.  The general consensus I'm getting from the world that works in the field is that not only can man affect the world's climate, but they are causing significant amounts of it now.  From what I see, there is no dispute in the science and no wiggle room.  Research has been done and come to a pretty confident conclusion.  Although, even with all that, I still hold my doubts as might not be able to see this fully from such a small window.  Human life is very tiny compared to that of mother earth and maybe 500 years from now with more data we might have a different answer.  But the only grounds I have to say that is just my personal opinion, which unfortunately doesn't go far as I'm just a political science major.  



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thranx said:
numonex said:

I religiously support global warming and climate change. The prophets: Al Gore, Alex Jones and all the supporters and media people who support global warming and the politicians who campaign on behalf of global warming and climate change.

Christian, Jews and Muslims keep spreading their propaganda. Global warming is a New Age Religion.

What is the difference between science and religion? Religion sounds a lot more scary than science. So window dress your belief as science and it sounds more reasonable and it gets more people on board. Propaganda and media well it can influence people from all spectrums of society.

Propaganda is spread about science, medicine, technology and religion, etc to promote. Not all science theories are correct they are man made theories/beliefs. The  Big Bang theory is a scientific belief it is not necessarily proven scientific theory. No one was around 13.7 billion years ago when the Big Bang occurred and it does not completely explain how the world and universe is as it is today.

Climate change and global warming is my Religion. My Personal Jesus is Al Gore. I am fanatical follower of my religion: Global Warming. My Church or Bible is youtube and google.

Wow, just wow! Whats the difference between science and religion when you will blindly follow either? Maybe you should take a step back and do some thinking and of your own

I am not a qualified scientist but  reading about it on the internet or watching youtube for information on environmental science is good enough for me. Anyone can call themselves a scientists regardless if they are qualified or unqualified. 

Climate change and global warming needs to be universally recognised as a Religion and not-for-profit organisation. Then it can make more profits and pay no tax and build up a much larger global supporter base. Save the planet is the Environmental activist motto.

The climate change denial scientists are not real scientists they are paid by Rupert Murdoch and other billionaire Jesuits to claim  climate change and global warming is false. Most of the expert scientists have an open minded view on the possibility that man may be a factor behind climate change and global warming. Exponential human growth, population growth out of control in poor third world developing nations. Human growth is like a cancer that keeps spreading and destroying everything to maintain its own survival.  

Population growth restriction policies should be put in place by governments to slow down and hopefully reduce populations in the long term. China's one child policy should become universal law. The whole world may have to follow China as the leader on human rights issues. China has survived for 2000 years, a lot longer than any other nation on Earth. The rapid age of industrialisation in the last 200 years has sped up exponentially due to the growth in the human population in the last 50 years. 

1960 = 2 billion humans

2010 = 7 billion humans.

2060  = 12 billion humans.

Assuming 1 billion growth every 10 years. 100 million more natural increase annual growth trend continues. Big problems loom. Humans are the greatest threat to the world's environment and the future survival of the . Destruction of the environment and plundering the finite resources. 



numonex said:
thranx said:
numonex said:

I religiously support global warming and climate change. The prophets: Al Gore, Alex Jones and all the supporters and media people who support global warming and the politicians who campaign on behalf of global warming and climate change.

Christian, Jews and Muslims keep spreading their propaganda. Global warming is a New Age Religion.

What is the difference between science and religion? Religion sounds a lot more scary than science. So window dress your belief as science and it sounds more reasonable and it gets more people on board. Propaganda and media well it can influence people from all spectrums of society.

Propaganda is spread about science, medicine, technology and religion, etc to promote. Not all science theories are correct they are man made theories/beliefs. The  Big Bang theory is a scientific belief it is not necessarily proven scientific theory. No one was around 13.7 billion years ago when the Big Bang occurred and it does not completely explain how the world and universe is as it is today.

Climate change and global warming is my Religion. My Personal Jesus is Al Gore. I am fanatical follower of my religion: Global Warming. My Church or Bible is youtube and google.

Wow, just wow! Whats the difference between science and religion when you will blindly follow either? Maybe you should take a step back and do some thinking and of your own

I am not a qualified scientist but  reading about it on the internet or watching youtube for information on environmental science is good enough for me. Anyone can call themselves a scientists regardless if they are qualified or unqualified. 

Climate change and global warming needs to be universally recognised as a Religion and not-for-profit organisation. Then it can make more profits and pay no tax and build up a much larger global supporter base. Save the planet is the Environmental activist motto.. 


I honestly do not know if you are being serious. I hope not, blind faith of any kind is dangorous



drkohler said:
rocketpig said:

And what do you suggest can be done to convince India and China to cripple their exploding economies by reducing consumption?

And how do you plan to feasibly introduce green energy for even 25% of the planet, much less all of it?

Ah yes, the old "the other guy does it so I do not have to change, too".

Here is the really frustrating part of it: Instead of spending all those billions in Irak, the US could have built/started to build, for less money nonethless, enough solar power plants to generate all the electricity required to run the country. Would have created new jobs, too. But who cares as long as big oil industry runs the country..

Solar power eh?

Where do you expect to build it?

Solar panels are damn huge, and clearing out the place to build those things in turns destroys wildlife.

Its not so easy ;)

We really need to take the space we have already used, and use it to the maximum.

For example, urban wind turbines, solar cells for windows/on the roof.

All this is just way too expensive though ...



rocketpig said:
HappySqurriel said:
rocketpig said:
numonex said:

The cost of setting up nuclear plants and safely maintaining them is extremely expensive- multiplier effect based on more plants. Cost savings and cutting corners on safety and maintenance on nuclear plants may lead to Chernobyl meltdowns. Multi-national companies like to save costs and cut corners on safety and maintenance and not conducting audits. 

Again, this is untrue. Stop saying this. Nuclear power is FAR cheaper than any green alternative.

And Chernobyl melted down because it was poorly maintained and was built far under any western specification for nuclear plants... 25 years ago. The tech is far more advanced. Outside of one rickety, poorly designed, poorly maintained, and under protected nuclear plant in SOVIET RUSSIA, name me one nuclear plant that has destroyed its surroundings or even made civilians sick in an accident.

And who said anything about letting Iran have nuclear power? I'm talking about the western world here (and so are you). It's the only part of the globe that emits enough pollution to matter and actually gives a shit about the environment (along with Japan and a few other SE Asian nations).

On top of that, American, Russian, and (if I remember correctly) British nuclear technology of the age of Chernobyl was focused on making the smallest nuclear reactors (to be put on submarines) not to make the safest nuclear reactors ... In contrast, Canada lacked the heavy industry to build these kinds of reactors, and had not interest in developing nuclear submarines, so they designed the Candu reactor which is (generally speaking) a larger but safer design.

Or to put it another way, designs for reactors exist today that would make Chernobyl remarkably unlikely even if they were as poorly maintained.

Not only that but look at Chernobyl:

Notice anything missing? Look at Three Mile Island, which was built close to the same time (actually a few years earlier):

When Russian engineers started building plants without walled protection around the reactor, everyone knew the dangers. They simply chose to ignore it and devastated an entire city because of it.

Actually there once was a nuclear plant in fukui japan that leaked sodium a few times which has killed people.

As for something like Chernobyl, yeah I dont think so.



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Whether it's man-made or not we absolutely have to slow it down to survive.



The Ghost of RubangB said:

Whether it's man-made or not we absolutely have to slow it down to survive.

Which is why the overexageration and completely unscientific method about deciding who's fault it is, is amazingly damaging.

Geoengineering is GREATLY derided and ignored by the pro man made global warming crowd.

Really only skeptics that it's man's fault are the only people funding it and studying it.



Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

Whether it's man-made or not we absolutely have to slow it down to survive.

Which is why the overexageration and completely unscientific method about deciding who's fault it is, is amazingly damaging.

Geoengineering is GREATLY derided and ignored by the pro man made global warming crowd.

Really only skeptics that it's man's fault are the only people funding it and studying it.

Which one's geoengineering?  Is that the one with the hot gas or radiation that comes out of the ground?

I support all renewable energies.  There's at least 30 we know about by now.  I say we fund the hell out of all of them and see which are the most efficient.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

Whether it's man-made or not we absolutely have to slow it down to survive.

Which is why the overexageration and completely unscientific method about deciding who's fault it is, is amazingly damaging.

Geoengineering is GREATLY derided and ignored by the pro man made global warming crowd.

Really only skeptics that it's man's fault are the only people funding it and studying it.

Which one's geoengineering?  Is that the one with the hot gas or radiation that comes out of the ground?

I support all renewable energies.  There's at least 30 we know about by now.  I say we fund the hell out of all of them and see which are the most efficient.

Neither.

Geoengineering isn't a renewable energy.  Geoengineering is exactly what it sounds like, the engineering of earth.

Say either this climate change is natural, or one in the future is natural.  Renewable energy isn't going to do jack.


However, whether or not it's man made or natural.... BOTH kinds can be countered with say... phytoplanktin being put in the oceans to lock up carbon.  Espeically genetical altered phytoplanktin that absorbs more carbon then usual.

Or different things seeding the clouds that will capture carbon dioxide out of the air, sulfur aersols, things that make it rain, solar radiation management....

these are "hard" controls that would work far better then renewable energies as far as global warming is concenred.  Renewable energies should be funded for different more practical reasons.

However due to the renewable energy lobbies and carbon tax lobbies Geoengineering gets branded as "inconvient" to look into because it may take away from their positions.

Even though in reality it may be the only thing that could save us.


Heck, even if it is man made.... if we've already hit the tipping point, OR will hit it soon.(which a lot of these people think is the case)  It's the only thing that can save us anyway... so it's ridiculious that they openly campaign against funding said research.



Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

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