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Climate Change Deniers/Skeptics or Believer?

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Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

Whether it's man-made or not we absolutely have to slow it down to survive.

Which is why the overexageration and completely unscientific method about deciding who's fault it is, is amazingly damaging.

Geoengineering is GREATLY derided and ignored by the pro man made global warming crowd.

Really only skeptics that it's man's fault are the only people funding it and studying it.

Which one's geoengineering?  Is that the one with the hot gas or radiation that comes out of the ground?

I support all renewable energies.  There's at least 30 we know about by now.  I say we fund the hell out of all of them and see which are the most efficient.

Neither.

Geoengineering isn't a renewable energy.  Geoengineering is exactly what it sounds like, the engineering of earth.

Say either this climate change is natural, or one in the future is natural.  Renewable energy isn't going to do jack.


However, whether or not it's man made or natural.... BOTH kinds can be countered with say... phytoplanktin being put in the oceans to lock up carbon.  Espeically genetical altered phytoplanktin that absorbs more carbon then usual.

Or different things seeding the clouds that will capture carbon dioxide out of the air, sulfur aersols, things that make it rain, solar radiation management....

these are "hard" controls that would work far better then renewable energies as far as global warming is concenred.  Renewable energies should be funded for different more practical reasons.

However due to the renewable energy lobbies and carbon tax lobbies Geoengineering gets branded as "inconvient" to look into because it may take away from their positions.

Even though in reality it may be the only thing that could save us.


Heck, even if it is man made.... if we've already hit the tipping point, OR will hit it soon.(which a lot of these people think is the case)  It's the only thing that can save us anyway... so it's ridiculious that they openly campaign against funding said research.

Ah okay.  I was thinking of geothermal something.

I think both geoengineering and renewable energy are absolutely necessary.  Using any source of energy that isn't renewable is a waste of time, energy, money, and life, and we'll pay for it in the long run.  More phytoplankton would kick ass in all sorts of ways; they provide the vast majority of the planet's oxygen, and as you said, they can trap carbon just like rain forests.

I love those crazy ideas.  I just didn't know they had a name.  When I was younger I used to joke about creating a car that ran on CFCs and emitted ozone.  Somebody should get on that.

I still think that the only thing we really need to learn how to do is truly harness the power of lightning.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

Whether it's man-made or not we absolutely have to slow it down to survive.

Which is why the overexageration and completely unscientific method about deciding who's fault it is, is amazingly damaging.

Geoengineering is GREATLY derided and ignored by the pro man made global warming crowd.

Really only skeptics that it's man's fault are the only people funding it and studying it.

Which one's geoengineering?  Is that the one with the hot gas or radiation that comes out of the ground?

I support all renewable energies.  There's at least 30 we know about by now.  I say we fund the hell out of all of them and see which are the most efficient.

Neither.

Geoengineering isn't a renewable energy.  Geoengineering is exactly what it sounds like, the engineering of earth.

Say either this climate change is natural, or one in the future is natural.  Renewable energy isn't going to do jack.


However, whether or not it's man made or natural.... BOTH kinds can be countered with say... phytoplanktin being put in the oceans to lock up carbon.  Espeically genetical altered phytoplanktin that absorbs more carbon then usual.

Or different things seeding the clouds that will capture carbon dioxide out of the air, sulfur aersols, things that make it rain, solar radiation management....

these are "hard" controls that would work far better then renewable energies as far as global warming is concenred.  Renewable energies should be funded for different more practical reasons.

However due to the renewable energy lobbies and carbon tax lobbies Geoengineering gets branded as "inconvient" to look into because it may take away from their positions.

Even though in reality it may be the only thing that could save us.


Heck, even if it is man made.... if we've already hit the tipping point, OR will hit it soon.(which a lot of these people think is the case)  It's the only thing that can save us anyway... so it's ridiculious that they openly campaign against funding said research.

Ah okay.  I was thinking of geothermal something.

I think both geoengineering and renewable energy are absolutely necessary.  Using any source of energy that isn't renewable is a waste of time, energy, money, and life, and we'll pay for it in the long run.  More phytoplankton would kick ass in all sorts of ways; they provide the vast majority of the planet's oxygen, and as you said, they can trap carbon just like rain forests.

I love those crazy ideas.  I just didn't know they had a name.  When I was younger I used to joke about creating a car that ran on CFCs and emitted ozone.  Somebody should get on that.

I still think that the only thing we really need to learn how to do is truly harness the power of lightning.


Interestingly enough George Bush's house runs on Geothermal energy.  Despite him being all anti-renewables in policy.  And Gore being all pro renewables in policy.

Bush's house is actually built... by his design and choice... to run on renewable enregy.

While Gore uses up enough electricity in a week to power a small city.

Just goes to show that politicans usually don't even believe in what they talk about on both ends.

As for harnassing lightning... who says we don't know how to do that?

http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/15/power-your-home-with-lightening/



Global cooling is a greater threat than global warming. In cold weather and droughts  it is much harder for farmers to grow grain and food which is needed to feed the people. 

Most of the 20th century the world was going through a cooling period  on and off which adversely impacted upon farming. Since 1991 the end of the Cold War fought not solely upon political ideology but also on conquest of farming land in Asia and Europe. US kept Russia and China at bay by giving them grain which was needed to feed its people. The Northern hemisphere had experienced long cold temperature and drought. Since the thaw post 1991 the temperatures have warmed up and higher yields have helped feed the people around the world. 

The scientific evidence on climate change and global warming  has been falsified to meet the global elites agenda. The international bankers more than likely plotted the climate change and global warming and used Al Gore as their main  puppet. 

I have done a bit more research on the subject matter and well green policies have actually bankrupted some nations due to the huge loss of jobs and restrictions on farming and  business owners  to grow the economy. There are a few nations in huge levels or foreign and public debt. Mass public protest over the job losses and civil unrest. Citizens forced to pay back government debts and corporate bailouts incurred by corrupt governments. The global  elites plan to implement green policies/environmental policies has backfired. 

Green policies must be resisted because they will be detrimental to the economy. The earth experience periods of climate change: cooling and warming but there is nothing anyone can do about it. 



If I had the money I'd buy a hybrid car and solar panels for my house but I don't...



Well, the first thing to note is its rather difficult to deny climate change itself, as the earth undergoes climate change nonstop.  People are still interpreting climate change as global warming, however, and it doesn't necessarily mean that at all.  Scientists have been changing their opinions on whether the earth is warming or cooling for decades now, and if you look at reports now, thye will claim that it has been warming for x number of years.

They will blame a lot of this on CO2, but a lot of times in our history, the CO2 levels have been massively higher than they currently are and we have had very cool periods, so to speak.

Now regarding the carbon credits, my major major problem with this has nothing to do with the fact that it may save the society in one manner (although I don't think it will).  My major problem with carbon credits is that the government will yet again get even more money that they can waste on other crap.  Why does the government have to profit off the idea of saving our planet...I really don't understand this.


Some other issues with carbon credits involve how certain businesses are naturally less toxic to the earth, which means the tax (that is all carbon credits are is a tax), will essentially be taxed less...isn't this not fair?!? (perhaps it does seem fair, after all, it is apparently fair that we take higher and higher %'s of people's income as it goes up...the fairest thing here would be a flat tax...I don't care how much money a person has, taxing more of it is not fair...I'm a poor college student by the way).

So what happens when a company gets taxed more?  They raise the prices on all of their products.  What does this do...oh, makes us pay even more sales tax.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF TAXES AT AGE 18 ALREADY, PLEASE STOP PASSING MORE AND MORE.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

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http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/fireandice.asp

Science experts can not make up their mind on whether the world is heating or cooling. Global Warming may well be a huge scam and a carbon tax is an unnecessary burden on the average citizen to pay. Only the International bankers and shills of the global elites would make anything out of a carbon tax. Carbon taxes and green policies have failed and hurt the countries economies and  resulted in huge job losses. Companies have to overseas markets and smaller business go out of business due to high carbon taxes adding to the costs of running business. 



Climate change is occuring, but it has always occured throughout the long history of this planet. Evidence has shown that throughout millions of years, earth has wavered from extreme cold periods or "ice ages" to warm periods. As of now, we are simply reaching another period of warming, but are well within the range of the previous maximum period of warming that occured 130,000 years ago. There is no evidence to indicate that man is specifically raising the tempurature of the earth. The idea that global warming is a man made phenomena is nothing more than a psuedo science that is used in order to push carbon taxes on people and regulate what people and businesses can do on lands. Just another method of control. Humans do not affect the planet nearly as much as we like to believe. We are merely specs to the monstrosoty of the earth.



So who is it that makes these computers that make the models???  Let's see what a person who thinks the earth is cooling can make a model look like.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

So I'm looking at this graph, and it is showing that during times of extremely high CO2 (as high as 7000ppm), there have actually been very cool and very warm trends seen.  So if more CO2 equal higher temps and less equals lower temps, as scientists seem to think, then wouldn't one believe that with our extremely low levels (we are very low compared to our history) that we have now, we would be super duper cold?  Yet we aren't...hmmm, strange.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

 

 

 

Climate Film Depicts Children Assassinated For Not Reducing Carbon Footprint

 

http://www.infowars.com/climate-film-depicts-children-assassinated-for-not-reducing-carbon-footprint/

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's since been removed from the original posters.

Whoopsie!

Reminds me of this Ron Pearlman movie 

 

or Hitler...in however a way, use your imagination to fill in the details..