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darthdevidem01 on 27 September 2010

This game won't be on Wii. A big percentage of KH fanbase is FF fanbase.

The west is very important for KH.....considering the strong FF13 sales in west we can see where the fan base for KH is and it will be further built up with versus XIII.

Now Japan IS a problem because both Wii and PS3 JRPG's haven't done that well there, FF13 is worst selling mainline FF in 4 (still sold well though), Tales and so on on the Wii haven't done well......but KH is much much bigger in the West than in Japan.

A PS360 release would be wise....it doesn't matter if its right at the end of the gen GOW2/FF12 released on Ps2 after PS3/Wii had released



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darthdevidem01 on 27 September 2010
Soriku said:
darthdevidem01 said:

This game won't be on Wii. A big percentage of KH fanbase is FF fanbase.

The west is very important for KH.....considering the strong FF13 sales in west we can see where the fan base for KH is and it will be further built up with versus XIII.

Now Japan IS a problem because both Wii and PS3 JRPG's haven't done that well there, FF13 is worst selling mainline FF in 4 (still sold well though), Tales and so on on the Wii haven't done well......but KH is much much bigger in the West than in Japan.

A PS360 release would be wise....it doesn't matter if its right at the end of the gen GOW2/FF12 released on Ps2 after PS3/Wii had released


darth, we've been over this in other threads. A big percentage of the KH fanbase really isn't the FF fanbase, otherwise why do you think FF characters are slowly being taken out of the game? In 358/2 Days there's no FF characters besides a moogle, and in BBS which is a "major" KH game the only FF character is Zack. Even in commercials you barely see FF characters. Oh yeah, catering to the FF fanbase alright...

In the West at least, the game's fanbase is mostly Disney fans...obviously the Wii is the best choice, that's why Epic Mickey is Wii exclusive. In Japan, I wouldn't doubt at this point people buy KH because it's KH, not because of FF because like I said FF characterrs are having less and less presence. KH is a major series, it'd sell fine on the Wii.

Not that I entirely believe the game still coming out this gen...

Where is this coming from Soriku? You and I know thats not why Epic Mickey is on Wii only.

Epic Mickey was Wii exclusive because Warren Specter thought its control scheme was best suited to Epic Mickey.......now as the PS360 have motion we actually have talks of it going multiplat despite the game being a few weeks from release......I mean they didn't even wait for it to release before talking about "perhaps" making it multiplat.

Next there is no proof Disney fans are mostly on the Wii, currently Epic Mickey pre-orders are abysmal too. 

Its not a matter of catering to the FF fanbase anymore because a sizeable % of the KH fan base are also FF fans.....you loose out on a fair few if you make it Wii exclusive. And many KH fans (not FF) are interested in versus XIII due to it being made by the same team.

Would you say the DS has more disney fans on it than PSP? you probably would yet KH:BBS is selling better on PSP in Japan and EU than 385/2 days did on DS, despite terrible PSP software sales trends....now don't pull the "BBS is more improtantz" card.....because this does go to show "Disney fans" don't just get the casual platform.

It would be a poor decision to have the game on wii....you have 2 consoles increasing in momentum.....while one decreasing. And KH3 is a game people buy consoles for anyway....when PS3 is at $199 is probably when KH3 will be released. With Kinect and so on these "casual Disney" fans may even jump to xbox 360.

So yeah Ps360 is the way to go!



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darthdevidem01 on 27 September 2010
Soriku said:

1. Yeah yeah about the control scheme, but do you think if they thought the game wouldn't sell well as Wii exclusive, would they do it at all? Remember the game was originally for the PS3/360. Also, Warren said Mickey fits more with Nintendo's demographic anyway. Same goes for KH...

2. The CEO of Disney said Disney games perform better on the Wii (ands DS). I wonder what type of game KH is. Plus, Epic Mickey preorders aren't abysmal LOL. They haven't even marketed the game yet; the game's out in 2 months.

3. You say a sizable % of KH fans are also FF fans, but really how much sense does it make to have FF characters' presence in the games much less prominent than ever before if it's true that KH fanbase = FF fanbase? Seems like the opposite to me where people care less about FF and more about Disney/orginal characters...

4. It's obvious BBS sold better in Japan because it's a major game while 358/2 Days is not, but EU? The game's barely selling much better than 358/2 Days and it's only sold 70k so far, nothing amazing. 358/2 Days apparently got some good legs later on, let's see what happens with BBS. But seriously EU doesn't seem that important for KH. Let's take a closer look at the US instead once NPD comes out which is much more important than EU.

1. Back then Wii was setting records and Nintendo's own Wii software was selling like cakes......of course they thought the game would sell well on Wii when development started. But now the picture is different and you have to wonder why they are saying things like "we might make it multiplat" A FEW WEEKS before launch.....sounds like lack of faith in sales too me.

2. Toy Story 3 : The Game and other regular Disney movie games DO NOT have the same audience as the KH games. This is a S-E and Disney game.....S-E games sell best on PS360 combined (well they have only released 1 on then FF13)

3. The presence of FF characters is less because the brand has been built up. In KH1/2 they needed more FF characters  to attract the massive FF fan base......which they DID attract. But now that the FF fanbase that was attracted are also KH fans there is no need to spam FF characters in KH games......that fan base has been built up now and A LOT of it is mixed with FF. You see fan sites for KH on the net you'll see most are FF fans there.

True the real world is a different story.....but the remaining "Disney fans" who apparently only buy Wii's according to you because Toy Story 3 and some other cartoon movie games sold better on Wii can be won over by a  $199 PS3

4. EU sales being close says a lot considering PSP's dismal software situation. YOu and I know how bad piracy is, Dissidia FF had 5 Million downloads FYI. 

Nomura won't let the work his team put into Versus XIII go to waste.....that team has gained experience on PS3 now and they'll simply move on to KH3. FF/KH will remain on the same platform for this gen too, thats PS360. Wii gets DQ.



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darthdevidem01 on 27 September 2010
Soriku said:

1. That's just journalists asking stupid questions. What do you expect them to say? Devs before have said similar things about HD to Wii ports, but it never happens. I don't see why we should put much stock on this. Oh, and 2 months isn't a "few weeks"...

2. Uh...what about Epic Mickey? That isn't some movie game. It's a big title just like KH. Besides, KH is a Disney game not a SE game. FF is not KH and vice versa.

3. That still doesn't make sense. If the FF characters are popular, why remove them? The FF characters still had some purpose in the story and they could have EASILY put more in 358/2 Days or even BBS which is a PREQUEL. We should've known what FF characters did at that time but they didn't bother.

In 3/4 years time or whenever KH3 comes out, price won't be a problem period. You think the Wii won't have a price drop either? Seriously, what does Toy Story 3 have anything to do with a $199 PS3? You think people aren't buying Toy Story 3 on the PS3 because of the price? lol, it's obviously because people who are more likely to play the game are kids...who play the Wii, not the PS3 (in most cases). If the PS3 turns $199, kids will suddenly play TS3 on their PS3? Yeah...I'm not sure how that makes any sense...

4. 70k is nothing to be proud of. Plus, if BBS was actually overtrakced I wouldn't even be surprised. VGC overtracks lots of RPGs.

You say Nomura won't let his work on Versus go to waste, but how is it going to waste if FF is not KH? Besides, you act like teams haven't jumped platforms before. Experience really doesn't mean anything especially for a talented team like the KH team and Nomura. Plus, it's not Nomura's decision where KH goes, you should know that based on his quote about Versus possibly going multiplat 2 weeks ago. It's up to the heads which Nomura is not. And the KH IP belongs to Disney.

And again, this is assuming the game comes out this gen at all. We coukd be arguing about nothing...

1. I expect them to say "we do not comment on rumor or speculation" or "no".......not some in between answer which tells us they are confused.

2. KH is a Disney and SE game....not just a Disney game, puh-lease......KH is far different from your regular Disney Movie games.

3. One of  the aims of using the FF characters in KH was to use them like carrots to attract FF fans to KH (not to say they aren't important to the story which some of them are...."some")....the trick worked, many FF fans also became KH fans.....there was no need to have them in "that" much anymore the fan base has been built up. KH fans who are ALSO FF fans aren't going to KH games to see FF characters anymore they are interested in KH's story, not in seeing squall there....but in KH1 that was a plus point. Now? Not so much......FF fans have Dissidia for that.

And  I said Toy Story 3 sold more on the Wii BECAUSE of the kids......but news flash the people who buy Toy Story 3 aren't your "KH fans".....people who play KH aren't kids anymore......you assuming KH is better fitted on Wii because Disney's other movie property games sell more on Wii is a terrible assumption!

Let epic Mickey be a litmus test now!

4. It is to be proud of considering PSP's software sales trend, you know this too, don't deny it.

Nomura teams work on the engine and experience with PS3's architecture will go to waste! It may be up to Disney or whoever, but don't think Disney is that naive......they also know where KH fans want this game. And Nomura's team would save time by having it on PS360 now because the engine is there, the experience is there. On Wii, not so much.

But since the heads at SE are making business decisions like Namco Bandai nowadays your right they may decide to put it on Wii



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darthdevidem01 on 27 September 2010
Soriku said:

1. I still wouldn't put much stock in it.

2. It doesn't seem like it, but it's still a Disney game though. It's a collaboration but Disney is still the owners of the IP, so...

3. Sorry but I don't believe that the FF characters are just there as carrots. If that were true, how come KH2 had a lot of FF presence even though KH1 sold a lot? If what you said is true, we should have seen FF characters gain less of a presence since KH2 but instead we see that starting with 358/2 Days.

4. It's really not going to waste. The FF X team for example went from FF X to FF XIII on different platforms. So I don't see the difference here. This isn't a small company, they can adapt if they want and I doubt making the engine would be that hard. It can't be drastically different from when they made KH2. The jump wouldn't be THAT big...

1. I would

2. Its influences come from SE and disney, more SE though. Yes Disney might own the IP but I find it hard to believe Disney wouldn;t listen to which platform SE wants it on

3. Thats because fan base is built up like I said before.....FF characters being in KH was a means of attraction for many to the franchise, I would have never played KH if it didn't have some ties to FF. I had no interest in playing a a game from sole Disney influences.

4. Thats a natural progression, PS2 to PS3........this is going from PS3 back down to Wii. Nomura-San might see it as a downgrade and he is really picky. They can adapt but when it makes business sense to go PS3600 and when the engine is there, why adapt?



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darthdevidem01 on 27 September 2010
Soriku said:

1. Whatver.

2. Of course, but it's not like SE wouldn't listen to Disney either. Like I said, it's a collab. They'll do whatever they think is best.

3. And I still say if the fanbase was built up from KH1 why add FF characters in KH2 then? Doesn't make sense if what you say is true.

4. Multiple devs have gone down before. The point I'm saying is, they can adapt just fine. You say Nomura is picky, but you seriously just made that up since you don't know what he thinks. He never once said going from HD to Wii or whatever is bad. I hardly doubt the engine is such a big problem like you're saying, and it makes business sense to put it on the Wii as well despite what you think.

1. kk thnx bye

2. No its a collab and they'll do whats best, and that PS360 tehehe

3. Because KH2 was a direct sequel, they couldn't just take all of them out, the plan was to maintain popularity, unfortunately KH2 sold much less than KH1.

4. No he didn't but he wants full potential to make his masterpiece, like VErsus, he will want PS3 for that, I can guarantee. The team has built up resources for PS3 through versus XIII, their not gonna let it all go to waste. It makes business sense to put it on PS360 despite what you think.



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Lostplanet22 on 27 September 2010

People still believe Soriku?

The boy who said in every 2007 WII VS PS3 thread....' Thx to the Wii high sales their will be many third parties only making games for Wii and forget X360 and for sure PS3.'

 

He is just guessing...



 

Cross-X on 27 September 2010

You two need to stop bitchin each other, get a room and make love :D lol.

Just to let you know, Square Enix created Kingdom Hearts and the KH IP is Co Owned by both Square Enix and Disney.



darthdevidem01 on 27 September 2010
Cross-X said:

You two need to stop bitchin each other, get a room and make love :D lol.

Just to let you know, Square Enix created Kingdom Hearts and the KH IP is Co Owned by both Square Enix and Disney.

ew eww ewwww Soriku isn't Leo-J!

Where do you think it will go cross-x?!



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Cross-X on 27 September 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
Cross-X said:

You two need to stop bitchin each other, get a room and make love :D lol.

Just to let you know, Square Enix created Kingdom Hearts and the KH IP is Co Owned by both Square Enix and Disney.

ew eww ewwww Soriku isn't Leo-J!

Where do you think it will go cross-x?!

lololol :D!!!

I posted my thoughts and explanations above your first post here so go read there for the full thing but I believe it'll be at least on PS3. Exclusive or not I don't care.

1) I want KH to be in HD using the Versus XIII Engine. Mind blowin shit right there.

2) Don't want Motion Controls involved or WiiMote Sideways controls. If KH III is on the Wii (which I doubt very much) and if it uses Motion Controls, I can easily see a PS Move supported KH III PS3 version rightaway. Not that I want that to happen, but whatever the outcome, it will be on the PS3 exclusive or not.