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johnglen said:

The difference is huge and the xbox360 is selling much better on a weekly basis .Why the hell would fifa help the ps3 ?? Anyway we'll probably get official numbers at the end of the year (we always do with the U.K) and these will show how silly this discussion is.

I was in London at the beginning of this month and went both to HVM (oxford street) and GAME and the xbox presence in retail is huge compared to the ps3.


I would just like to second that and remind everyone FIFA is multiplat.



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Seece said:
A203D said:
cmeese47 said:

FIfa wins on PS3, Madden barely wins on 360 despite having a 10 million unit lead in NA. Need for Speed wins on PS3. Burnout wins on PS3. Dead Space wins on PS3. Fight Night is essentially a draw.

Shooters win on 360 and that isnt a shock consider it is 360 most popular genre and the most popular genre in the US where the 360 has a 10 million unit lead. 

Was EA foolish in claiming that Sony could win in the UK yep but were they foolish for supporting the PS3 fuck no.

Yeah PS3 is about 2mil behind in the UK, i think there can still be a victory there for Sony if the gen lasts another 5 years - which both MS and Sony support. however until PS3 can get a price cut there i dont see it happening, and then MS will counter with another price cut.

the only reason i could see this all changing is because of next years software line up, where MS has 1 high profile excvlusive against at least 4 or 5 PS3 exclusives. and as you mentioned the 360 has a 10mil lead in the US, but the software sales are about the same, (except for shooters) despite the 10mil lead. that suggests that a lot of those 10mil are duplicate buys.

a lot of people say GT5 will change everything, but imo it will take a lot more than that, but it can happen. and Sony really should advertise they're products better than MS, MS are very good at marketing, where as i think Sony could do better!

Are you even thinking that through, if you think MS only has 1 high profile game next year you're wrong.

Games like LBp2, K3, Infamous 2 ect are not going to sway the competition, it's such an absurd thing to say.

And lmao at the italicised bit, software the same in America? You need to go recheck those numbers, 360 is over 130 million games ahead there. Also has the highest attach rate there.

Okay fair enough, i wasnt aware of the 130 mil lead, my point was based on cmeese47 said, its logical that this is the case because of the 10mil lead in US. sadly you are right, how ever many awards or perfect scores those games get its unlikely they will sway the competition. however i think we're in for a few supprises next year!!

yes i think that Gears is the only HIGH profile game coming to the 360 next year, the only other thing would be Forza 4 Kinect or Halo Reach ODST; nothing else has been announced. the gladiator thing you mentioned is based on a hack n slash market which is no where near the strenght of the FPS on the 360.

 

 



A203D said:
Seece said:
A203D said:
cmeese47 said:

FIfa wins on PS3, Madden barely wins on 360 despite having a 10 million unit lead in NA. Need for Speed wins on PS3. Burnout wins on PS3. Dead Space wins on PS3. Fight Night is essentially a draw.

Shooters win on 360 and that isnt a shock consider it is 360 most popular genre and the most popular genre in the US where the 360 has a 10 million unit lead. 

Was EA foolish in claiming that Sony could win in the UK yep but were they foolish for supporting the PS3 fuck no.

Yeah PS3 is about 2mil behind in the UK, i think there can still be a victory there for Sony if the gen lasts another 5 years - which both MS and Sony support. however until PS3 can get a price cut there i dont see it happening, and then MS will counter with another price cut.

the only reason i could see this all changing is because of next years software line up, where MS has 1 high profile excvlusive against at least 4 or 5 PS3 exclusives. and as you mentioned the 360 has a 10mil lead in the US, but the software sales are about the same, (except for shooters) despite the 10mil lead. that suggests that a lot of those 10mil are duplicate buys.

a lot of people say GT5 will change everything, but imo it will take a lot more than that, but it can happen. and Sony really should advertise they're products better than MS, MS are very good at marketing, where as i think Sony could do better!

Are you even thinking that through, if you think MS only has 1 high profile game next year you're wrong.

Games like LBp2, K3, Infamous 2 ect are not going to sway the competition, it's such an absurd thing to say.

And lmao at the italicised bit, software the same in America? You need to go recheck those numbers, 360 is over 130 million games ahead there. Also has the highest attach rate there.

Okay fair enough, i wasnt aware of the 130 mil lead, my point was based on cmeese47 said, its logical that this is the case because of the 10mil lead in US. sadly you are right, how ever many awards or perfect scores those games get its unlikely they will sway the competition. however i think we're in for a few supprises next year!!

yes i think that Gears is the only HIGH profile game coming to the 360 next year, the only other thing would be Forza 4 Kinect or Halo Reach ODST; nothing else has been announced. the gladiator thing you mentioned is based on a hack n slash market which is no where near the strenght of the FPS on the 360.

 

 

Nowhere has Kingdoms been called a hack n slash to my knowledge. XCOM is from the Bioshock team, and we've yet to see what 343 industries are up to, it might be something bigger than we think. Of course 3rd party games can't be ruled out, whichever they are. If you think MS are going from May to Dec with no top tier exclusives then I don't know what to say, if they can't get one from a first party, they'll get one from a third, they've never gone a holiday season since 2006 without one.



 

Seece said:
A203D said:
Seece said:
A203D said:
cmeese47 said:

FIfa wins on PS3, Madden barely wins on 360 despite having a 10 million unit lead in NA. Need for Speed wins on PS3. Burnout wins on PS3. Dead Space wins on PS3. Fight Night is essentially a draw.

Shooters win on 360 and that isnt a shock consider it is 360 most popular genre and the most popular genre in the US where the 360 has a 10 million unit lead. 

Was EA foolish in claiming that Sony could win in the UK yep but were they foolish for supporting the PS3 fuck no.

Yeah PS3 is about 2mil behind in the UK, i think there can still be a victory there for Sony if the gen lasts another 5 years - which both MS and Sony support. however until PS3 can get a price cut there i dont see it happening, and then MS will counter with another price cut.

the only reason i could see this all changing is because of next years software line up, where MS has 1 high profile excvlusive against at least 4 or 5 PS3 exclusives. and as you mentioned the 360 has a 10mil lead in the US, but the software sales are about the same, (except for shooters) despite the 10mil lead. that suggests that a lot of those 10mil are duplicate buys.

a lot of people say GT5 will change everything, but imo it will take a lot more than that, but it can happen. and Sony really should advertise they're products better than MS, MS are very good at marketing, where as i think Sony could do better!

Are you even thinking that through, if you think MS only has 1 high profile game next year you're wrong.

Games like LBp2, K3, Infamous 2 ect are not going to sway the competition, it's such an absurd thing to say.

And lmao at the italicised bit, software the same in America? You need to go recheck those numbers, 360 is over 130 million games ahead there. Also has the highest attach rate there.

Okay fair enough, i wasnt aware of the 130 mil lead, my point was based on cmeese47 said, its logical that this is the case because of the 10mil lead in US. sadly you are right, how ever many awards or perfect scores those games get its unlikely they will sway the competition. however i think we're in for a few supprises next year!!

yes i think that Gears is the only HIGH profile game coming to the 360 next year, the only other thing would be Forza 4 Kinect or Halo Reach ODST; nothing else has been announced. the gladiator thing you mentioned is based on a hack n slash market which is no where near the strenght of the FPS on the 360.

Nowhere has Kingdoms been called a hack n slash to my knowledge. XCOM is from the Bioshock team, and we've yet to see what 343 industries are up to, it might be something bigger than we think. Of course 3rd party games can't be ruled out, whichever they are. If you think MS are going from May to Dec with no top tier exclusives then I don't know what to say, if they can't get one from a first party, they'll get one from a third, they've never gone a holiday season since 2006 without one.

I assumed being based on a gladiator thing it would be hack n slash, either way i suppose it could be the big release for holiday 2010. i think MS have said the Kinect will increase the 360 lifespan another 5 years, so i take it that means a LOT of their releases next year will be based around kinect. and probabily more shooters.

although i have no idea, we'll see how things go next year, i think we might get a few supprises from both companies, kinect pre orders are high apparently, it will be interesting to see what software sells well on it!!



SpartenOmega117 said:

I dont think xbox 360 will have a lead of 6 million by the end of this year. GT5 will sell consoles im sure. And sony has to be dumb not to bundle it with consoles. I think 360 will end up having a lead of maybe 4.5-5.5 million by the end of this year. And 5 million difference is not much anyways. Lets face it 360 came out a year earlier so it is natural for it to be ahead throughout this gen. The wii is a special case because well it was cheaper and was the "cool" thing to buy.

 

oh wait im going off topic. Anyways it might be possible. Blu ray sales are increasing every year. The ps3 price is decreasing every 1-2 years. Ps3 so far has the best line up for 2011. I dont think the 360 will even come close to the number of quality games ps3 will have next year. All those games might actually sell a bunch of consoles. Imagine the PS3 going $200-$250 next year too! Either way people who don't own a ps3 will be missing out. Luckily i own both 360/ps3 :)

Well the PS3 will be dead sooner then most think. I give it two years tops..Sony is rumored to be burning the midnight oil hoping to get their Next Gen PS4 out alittle before MS's Next Gen console this time.. So i love all the speculation by too-blindly-loyal Sony fans that somehow someway everyone in the world is going to change their mind and go buy a PS3 just because (insert reason here) .. Yeah you're right PS3 is getting cheaper, problem is Xbox 360 is getting cheaper too.. Blu-ray is selling decent, but going by sales trends - it will never outsell DVD players or have the market share that DVD had in its peak ? Why ?? Its a different world.. Digital downloads are taking over, the optical business model is changing.. Someone important in the indistry recently said if customers have to choose between convience and better quality, they'll go with CONVIENCE.  I order 720P movies all the time on cable.. people use redbox and all sorts of media outlets that didnt exist back in DVD's hay-day.. the Music industry just 4 years ago still sold most music on disc.. but not anymore.. now downloads have overtaken media.. Is media dead - not by a long shot- but this is a trend that only a fool would ignore.. Most cable internet providers are only increasing ( you're seeing doubling and tripling ) download speeds over the next few years.. which means no waiting.. GT will likely sell millions, but it wont be anywhere near PS3's #1 seller COD MW2 ( 8.1 million units sold lifetime ) and it'll be NOWHERE near the console pushing Halo Reach ( that did 4.1 million in only FIVE days )



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Hmm..In finland Ps3 holds 56 %, xbox 360 29% and wii 15%..



 

 

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A203D said:
Seece said:
A203D said:

Okay fair enough, i wasnt aware of the 130 mil lead, my point was based on cmeese47 said, its logical that this is the case because of the 10mil lead in US. sadly you are right, how ever many awards or perfect scores those games get its unlikely they will sway the competition. however i think we're in for a few supprises next year!!

yes i think that Gears is the only HIGH profile game coming to the 360 next year, the only other thing would be Forza 4 Kinect or Halo Reach ODST; nothing else has been announced. the gladiator thing you mentioned is based on a hack n slash market which is no where near the strenght of the FPS on the 360.

Nowhere has Kingdoms been called a hack n slash to my knowledge. XCOM is from the Bioshock team, and we've yet to see what 343 industries are up to, it might be something bigger than we think. Of course 3rd party games can't be ruled out, whichever they are. If you think MS are going from May to Dec with no top tier exclusives then I don't know what to say, if they can't get one from a first party, they'll get one from a third, they've never gone a holiday season since 2006 without one.

I assumed being based on a gladiator thing it would be hack n slash, either way i suppose it could be the big release for holiday 2010. i think MS have said the Kinect will increase the 360 lifespan another 5 years, so i take it that means a LOT of their releases next year will be based around kinect. and probabily more shooters.

although i have no idea, we'll see how things go next year, i think we might get a few supprises from both companies, kinect pre orders are high apparently, it will be interesting to see what software sells well on it!!

Well like I said, 60% sure ive seen a comment saying it isn't. Hopefulyl it isn't cos I hate hack n slashes!

MS have stated they have big exclusives in the pipeline (3rd party ones), wouldn't surprise me if Bioshock Infinite went exclusive and something else, MS are going to be making a shit ton f money in the gaming division from now on, they'll have more cash to splash.



 

rf40928 said:
SpartenOmega117 said:

I dont think xbox 360 will have a lead of 6 million by the end of this year. GT5 will sell consoles im sure. And sony has to be dumb not to bundle it with consoles. I think 360 will end up having a lead of maybe 4.5-5.5 million by the end of this year. And 5 million difference is not much anyways. Lets face it 360 came out a year earlier so it is natural for it to be ahead throughout this gen. The wii is a special case because well it was cheaper and was the "cool" thing to buy.

 

oh wait im going off topic. Anyways it might be possible. Blu ray sales are increasing every year. The ps3 price is decreasing every 1-2 years. Ps3 so far has the best line up for 2011. I dont think the 360 will even come close to the number of quality games ps3 will have next year. All those games might actually sell a bunch of consoles. Imagine the PS3 going $200-$250 next year too! Either way people who don't own a ps3 will be missing out. Luckily i own both 360/ps3 :)

Well the PS3 will be dead sooner then most think. I give it two years tops..Sony is rumored to be burning the midnight oil hoping to get their Next Gen PS4 out alittle before MS's Next Gen console this time.. So i love all the speculation by too-blindly-loyal Sony fans that somehow someway everyone in the world is going to change their mind and go buy a PS3 just because (insert reason here) .. Yeah you're right PS3 is getting cheaper, problem is Xbox 360 is getting cheaper too.. Blu-ray is selling decent, but going by sales trends - it will never outsell DVD players or have the market share that DVD had in its peak ? Why ?? Its a different world.. Digital downloads are taking over, the optical business model is changing.. Someone important in the indistry recently said if customers have to choose between convience and better quality, they'll go with CONVIENCE.  I order 720P movies all the time on cable.. people use redbox and all sorts of media outlets that didnt exist back in DVD's hay-day.. the Music industry just 4 years ago still sold most music on disc.. but not anymore.. now downloads have overtaken media.. Is media dead - not by a long shot- but this is a trend that only a fool would ignore.. Most cable internet providers are only increasing ( you're seeing doubling and tripling ) download speeds over the next few years.. which means no waiting.. GT will likely sell millions, but it wont be anywhere near PS3's #1 seller COD MW2 ( 8.1 million units sold lifetime ) and it'll be NOWHERE near the console pushing Halo Reach ( that did 4.1 million in only FIVE days )


I understand but to some people quality is actually more important than convenience. I think blu ray will sell along side with digital media. The net xbox for sure will have a blu ray drive too. Anyways im not a a blind sony fan. Im not even a microsoft fan. However im supporting sony a little bit more this gen because imo they released a better quality product just like last gen i supported microsoft with the original xbox. Either way o own both ps3/xbox so it doesn't matter in the end of the day.



If the next Xbox has Blu-Ray or not is not relevenat as long as it have mandatory installs. Seriously every game should be played from an HDD these days and not discs.



SpartenOmega117 said:
rf40928 said:
SpartenOmega117 said:

I dont think xbox 360 will have a lead of 6 million by the end of this year. GT5 will sell consoles im sure. And sony has to be dumb not to bundle it with consoles. I think 360 will end up having a lead of maybe 4.5-5.5 million by the end of this year. And 5 million difference is not much anyways. Lets face it 360 came out a year earlier so it is natural for it to be ahead throughout this gen. The wii is a special case because well it was cheaper and was the "cool" thing to buy.

 

oh wait im going off topic. Anyways it might be possible. Blu ray sales are increasing every year. The ps3 price is decreasing every 1-2 years. Ps3 so far has the best line up for 2011. I dont think the 360 will even come close to the number of quality games ps3 will have next year. All those games might actually sell a bunch of consoles. Imagine the PS3 going $200-$250 next year too! Either way people who don't own a ps3 will be missing out. Luckily i own both 360/ps3 :)

Well the PS3 will be dead sooner then most think. I give it two years tops..Sony is rumored to be burning the midnight oil hoping to get their Next Gen PS4 out alittle before MS's Next Gen console this time.. So i love all the speculation by too-blindly-loyal Sony fans that somehow someway everyone in the world is going to change their mind and go buy a PS3 just because (insert reason here) .. Yeah you're right PS3 is getting cheaper, problem is Xbox 360 is getting cheaper too.. Blu-ray is selling decent, but going by sales trends - it will never outsell DVD players or have the market share that DVD had in its peak ? Why ?? Its a different world.. Digital downloads are taking over, the optical business model is changing.. Someone important in the indistry recently said if customers have to choose between convience and better quality, they'll go with CONVIENCE.  I order 720P movies all the time on cable.. people use redbox and all sorts of media outlets that didnt exist back in DVD's hay-day.. the Music industry just 4 years ago still sold most music on disc.. but not anymore.. now downloads have overtaken media.. Is media dead - not by a long shot- but this is a trend that only a fool would ignore.. Most cable internet providers are only increasing ( you're seeing doubling and tripling ) download speeds over the next few years.. which means no waiting.. GT will likely sell millions, but it wont be anywhere near PS3's #1 seller COD MW2 ( 8.1 million units sold lifetime ) and it'll be NOWHERE near the console pushing Halo Reach ( that did 4.1 million in only FIVE days )


I understand but to some people quality is actually more important than convenience. I think blu ray will sell along side with digital media. The net xbox for sure will have a blu ray drive too. Anyways im not a a blind sony fan. Im not even a microsoft fan. However im supporting sony a little bit more this gen because imo they released a better quality product just like last gen i supported microsoft with the original xbox. Either way o own both ps3/xbox so it doesn't matter in the end of the day.

I loved the PS2, but product wise alot of Sony fans blindly trusted Sony.  In fact 360 has more powerful hardware.. Sony RSX GPU does only 250 million triangles a second versus 360's Xenos GPU which does 500 million triangles !  One reason many Sony exclusives jumped ship was not only because of profit margins ( less PS3 owners mean less profit from game development time then for Xbox 360 ) .. but also because 360 is much easier to program for.. Developers making games for PS3 have to work longer and harder to tap the power to make a game of similar quality to XB 360.. in other words it takes alot of optimizations on the PS3 ( like spe accelleration ) versus on the Xbox 360 they dont have to do anything special to get the same result.. 

Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
* The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
* Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
* The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
* Memory System Bandwidth
* The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times

Read more: http://www.guruht.com/2008/03/ps3-vs-xbox360-gpu-performance.html#ixzz10rXXUYI6

Here's some reading you might find interesting in PS3 versus Xbox 360 hardware: ( the anadtech stuff is more in depth

http://www.guruht.com/2008/03/ps3-vs-xbox360-gpu-performance.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1719/13
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1719/4