Maybe you don't understand how the gyro works. It provides orientational data which is translated into X,Y,Z space that includes the direction in which the remote is pointing. It doesn't matter if the remote is pointing at the camera. It doesn't even need the camera to determine which direction the remote is pointing.

That's how the remote (Move) can be turned around in your hand and be represented on screen as an object that will also turn around as a 1:1 motion.

You Sir don't understand it, obv.

I know how the gyros work and the gyros in Motionplus and Move are more or less the same. And the gyros are great when moving fast. For slow moving, like aiming in FPS, it's not pricise enough, i think. Not with Motionplus or with the gyros in Move. You have to recalibrate with eye toy camera, or could be done with the IR Sensor on WII. Additionally, problems with Gyros came with the changing temperature.

And the 1:1 motion (lag?1:1?) from Move couldn't work better than Wiimotionplus without the eye toy camera and lightening ball. But you won't agree, obv.

You're mistaken.

You are entitled to your opinion naturally, but there hasn't been a single review out yet to make the claim that the Wii Remote is more accurate, which either means you haven't used Move yourself and have no basis for comparison, or you simply choose to believe what you want to believe regardless of everything that has already been confirmed.

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Pointer controls, this is by far my biggest complaint, this is from the perspective of someone who has used the Wiis pointer for years and that pointer is so intuitive and just really tight so going to this is like night and day.  On Move it's based on the gyroscope inside the controller, with Tumble in particular you have to turn your wrist/controller 90 degrees left or right to point at the edges of the screen, making a full 180 degrees of range, on Sports Champions its less but still way too wide of range and could be tightened up so much.  One particular issue when the controller did get off center after a LOT of motion the pointer was also off with it because it is gyro based.

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You're mistaken.

You are entitled to your opinion naturally, but there hasn't been a single review out yet to make the claim that the Wii Remote is more accurate, which either means you haven't used Move yourself and have no basis for comparison, or you simply choose to believe what you want to believe regardless of everything that has already been confirmed.

I never said that the Wii Remote is more accurate, did I?

I wanted to say, without eye toy camera the motion detection from Move would have the same problems like Motionplus (temperature, slow moving -->decalibrating). The trick with Move is the Camera-ball Recalibration system. Or better, 2 different techs for motion detection, if you like.

And for motion detection that system is superior to the Wiimote with motionplus, ok!

I just said that for FPS aiming, the IR sensor seems superior to the Ball-eye-toy-thing. Not using gyros for that issue, ok. I know it could be mixed, than Move could be even better, but i don't know if that works. It's never been done with motionplus, i think. Red Steel 2 just used the motionplus for sword fight, not for pistol aiming.

it's a matter of preference in my view i love the ball-pseye version of shooter controls, far more freedom, people hate new ways of doing things so it's natural to think wiimote is better because that is what you are used to, me i have already adapted and love it

i don't understand this part.

i have tumble and the controls are obviously not gyroscope based, and i don't have to turn the controller 90 degrees when i want to pint at the edges of the screen when i'm in the selection mode, and when i'm in the game mode the controller is INSIDE the screen and moves exactly 1:1 on how i am moving it in my hand.

would you please clarify? 

Move uses several different techniques for tracking motion as well as position. It's up to the developer to decide how they want to implement everything together, or which methods to use.

For The Shoot, the light ball and camera are only used to keep the reticle calibrated. You can actually shoot with a fair amount of accuracy with the remote behind your back with the ball resting against it, completely hidden from the camera. It will get off center over time if you keep aiming the remote in an extreme angle off screen, but if you keep it pointed at the screen you could probably play through an entire level behind your back (I played about a half a level this way and finished with 87% accuracy with most misses due to the fact that I was aiming with both hands behind my back).

Tumble actually requires the use of the ball as it depends upon motion in the Z axis to "reach into the screen". You have to move towards the screen and back to move pieces in 3D space. The game is probably the best example of how the Move ball is used to determine depth (measurements being based upon the relative diameter of the ball as the camera sees it: closer = larger diameter, farther = smaller diameter). As soon as the ball is not visible to the camera, the "laser pointer" disappears as this is how this particular game tracks player movement/aiming.

In Sports Champions, one can still manipulate the game selection screen (which is aim based in 2D; no depth/Z axis) even if you are standing at an extreme angle off to the side, well outside of the lens angle range of the camera, or with the light ball or camera completely obscured. Once you play a game that requires use of the Z axis like frisbee (which uses player's forward motion to provide data on each throw), the ball must be in view of the camera.

Anyone that has a legitimate interest in seeing and understanding how the Move works can do similar such experiments with the various demos available. You'll see how each game works a little differently due to the wide range of motion based options and tracking systems Move was designed with. It's a very versatile system.