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Devils advocate...

 

And how many were playing FPS on a console?

 

His wording could of been better but what he was trying to say and said badly is that once we all played FPS on a PC now the vast majority play them on consoles. The actual numbers of PC gamers is irrelevant if we compare ratios as it is a complete turn about face.



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I've played more shooters on consoles than PCs lately, though thats just an artifact of the fact that Halo just released and that I hardly ever play FPS games anymore.



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welshbloke said:

Devils advocate...

 

And how many were playing FPS on a console?

 

His wording could of been better but what he was trying to say and said badly is that once we all played FPS on a PC now the vast majority play them on consoles. The actual numbers of PC gamers is irrelevant if we compare ratios as it is a complete turn about face.


If we can change what a person said in order to prove they're right then I guess nobody is ever really wrong :P



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yo_john117 said:
Euphoria14 said:
ramses01 said:
Euphoria14 said:

Some of you may remember this from earlier today, where Kudo Tsunoda said this:

"Halo did an awesome job of building a first-person shooter exclusively for the console, and now hardly anyone plays first person shooters on the PC anymore. It's all about the console."

http://www.gamerzines.com/pc/news/kudo-hardly-any-fps-on-pc.html

 

Well, PCGamer had something to day to Kudo today.

"At least 266,505 people played an FPS on a PC today"

"According to Steam stats*. And that’s before America gets its game on. Your move, Kudo."

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/09/20/around-266505-people-played-an-fps-on-a-pc-today/

 

I found this pretty funny.


LOL, i would say PCGAMER owned itself there.  266K definitely qualifies as hardly anyone.

This has been explained in the OP. Notice how this is ONLY the number of people playing an FPS on Steam at that exact moment.

It includes nobody playing an FPS at that moment who isn't running it off of Steamworks. 

But it says "At least 266,505 people played an FPS on a PC today" that doesn't mean at that exact moment in time...it means up until that point.

Now without a doubt there are more unique users that play FPS on consoles then on the PC.

Take these stats - for the Halo games alone there have been 2.8 million unique users in the last 24 hours, then you start to add the likes of MW2 which has at least 200k people online at any given time....then you start to think how not everyone has Xbox live, plus there are tons of other FPS games on the 360 so you gotta add them all up.  Even when you add all that up you have to remember the all the Playstation and Nintendo systems that people play FPS games on.

As far as FPS games are concerned it truly is all about the consoles....

Read the comments in the link in the OP. Commenters have pointed out that that number is actually the number of players playing FPS' concurrently at 5:20PM UK time, which is one of the least popular times of day (globally and locally). In a single day there are easily at least 1 million unique users playing FPS' on Steam with an approx. userbase of 25 million.

Now, that's only one area of FPS' on PC. A popular one, but by no means all FPS' on PC and unfortunately it'd be near impossible to get stats for all FPS games on PC as their are so many services, but we can surmise that FPS' on PC are far from dead.



As another couple of comments in the OP link point out-

"[the Steam figure] doesn’t account for

Xfire
Battle.net
Raptr
gamespy Comrade
GSC
Game Ranger (MAC)
POPCap
Wireplay
Quake Live

not to mention private servers or the publishers servers."

and-

"Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Xfire users playing per day: 77,424

Call of Duty 2
Xfire users playing per day: 45,176

Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2
Xfire users playing per day: 22,932

Battlefield Bad Company 2
Xfire users playing per day: 16,479"

To add to that, some recent PC FPS figures-

STALKER- 2 million*
Crysis- 1.5 million*
Bioshock- 1 million *

*- from Wikipedia

Team Fortress 2 1,740,658
Half-Life 2: Episode Two 1,255,624
Portal Portal 1,247,849
Left 4 Dead 1,216,644
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 1,023,973

Day of Defeat: Source Day of Defeat: Source 2,500,776
Left 4 Dead 2 673,940
Killing Floor 249,177

All these from a post discussing Steam achievement figures. As the OP in the link notes, these are absolute minimum figures based on people who have public profiles, the actual figures are likely much higher. In addition, DICE have noted that more people were playing the PC version of BFBC2 than the console versions. The numbers aren't as big as Reach, but then again COD aside, how many games are that big?

Finally, id's Tim Willits has spoken out-

id Software's Tim Willits has refuted Microsoft's claim that the first-person shooter genre is in its death throes on the PC.

Speaking in an interview with Game Informer, Kudo Tsunoda, Microsoft Kinect's creative director, said that the battle to make first-person shooters work on consoles had been won.

"Halo did an awesome job of building a first-person shooter exclusively for the console, and now hardly anyone plays first-person shooters on the PC anymore. It's all about the console," he said, highlighting what he saw as parallels with the scepticism about Kinect's responsiveness.

A bold claim? id Software certainly thinks so. The Texas-based studio virtually invented the modern FPS with Wolfenstein 3D on the PC in 1992 and then refined it with Doom and Quake. It has continued to support the platform ever since.

"The PC is still a very viable platform for not only FPS games but also all other genres," id's creative director Tim Willits told Eurogamer.

"In my opinion the PC will always be the core of the gaming industry - it is the timeless stable platform that as developers we will always be able to rely on. Unlike consoles, the PC doesn't disappear because one company decided it wasn't profitable or decided to make a new version. The PC platform is always evolving but staying stable.

"The FPS genre is still great on the PC, the input controllers are very responsive, the keyboard allows many more choices and options, and the social networking of the PC allows you to reach out and play with your friends much easier than any of the consoles.

"Plus, as any hardcore FPS gamer will tell you, the mouse is still the best device for aiming." he added.

id's next game, Rage, arrives on PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in September 2011, and is looking seriously impressive. Willits is heading over to the Eurogamer Expo next week to demonstrate it to you.

According to Steam statistics, as many as 75,000 users were playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 on PC at any one moment yesterday, while 72,000 were enjoying Counter Strike: Source.

PC shooter fans have plenty to look forward to this year. Call of Duty: Black Ops, Medal of Honor and an expansion for Battlefield: Bad Company 2 all arrive in the coming months.



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Well they had to replace medi packs with rechargable energy, slow action from rocket jumping in quake to crawl and cover camping and introduce several forms of auto aim to make fps genre succed on consoles.

I wonder how much more can be removed from those games to make them adapt to kinect.



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Scoobes said:
yo_john117 said:
Euphoria14 said:
ramses01 said:
Euphoria14 said:

Some of you may remember this from earlier today, where Kudo Tsunoda said this:

"Halo did an awesome job of building a first-person shooter exclusively for the console, and now hardly anyone plays first person shooters on the PC anymore. It's all about the console."

http://www.gamerzines.com/pc/news/kudo-hardly-any-fps-on-pc.html

 

Well, PCGamer had something to day to Kudo today.

"At least 266,505 people played an FPS on a PC today"

"According to Steam stats*. And that’s before America gets its game on. Your move, Kudo."

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/09/20/around-266505-people-played-an-fps-on-a-pc-today/

 

I found this pretty funny.


LOL, i would say PCGAMER owned itself there.  266K definitely qualifies as hardly anyone.

This has been explained in the OP. Notice how this is ONLY the number of people playing an FPS on Steam at that exact moment.

It includes nobody playing an FPS at that moment who isn't running it off of Steamworks. 

But it says "At least 266,505 people played an FPS on a PC today" that doesn't mean at that exact moment in time...it means up until that point.

Now without a doubt there are more unique users that play FPS on consoles then on the PC.

Take these stats - for the Halo games alone there have been 2.8 million unique users in the last 24 hours, then you start to add the likes of MW2 which has at least 200k people online at any given time....then you start to think how not everyone has Xbox live, plus there are tons of other FPS games on the 360 so you gotta add them all up.  Even when you add all that up you have to remember the all the Playstation and Nintendo systems that people play FPS games on.

As far as FPS games are concerned it truly is all about the consoles....

Read the comments in the link in the OP. Commenters have pointed out that that number is actually the number of players playing FPS' concurrently at 5:20PM UK time, which is one of the least popular times of day (globally and locally). In a single day there are easily at least 1 million unique users playing FPS' on Steam with an approx. userbase of 25 million.

Now, that's only one area of FPS' on PC. A popular one, but by no means all FPS' on PC and unfortunately it'd be near impossible to get stats for all FPS games on PC as their are so many services, but we can surmise that FPS' on PC are far from dead.

Ok gotcha, the wording confused m, and yes I agree that FPS's on the PC are far from dead.