Seece said:
Metallicube said:
Seece said:
Metallicube said:
There really isn't going to be a"motion cotrol war." Nintendo won't allow that. They have been trying to avoid the red ocean with the Wii, and they're not going to let Sony change that. By the time the Move and Kinect really get going, Nintendo will simply move on to new technologies like the Vitality Sensor, 3DS, and whatever new quirk the next Nintendo console has. I think Nintendo has learned from the red ocean wars of the Super NES, N64, and Gamecube. Any time Sony or MS tries to copy them, they will probably just move on and make something else, at which point that new thing will be emulated, and the circle of life repeats.
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Do you just like, conveniently forget about past gens, where Sony dominated generations and how Nintendo even came 3rd last gen? You seem to think Nintendo is impenetrable.
One day you're going to get a nasty wake up call.
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You've just proved my point even further as to why Nintendo wants to avoid the red ocean. When they get in the red ocean with the bigger companies, Sony and MS, and try to beat them at their own game so to speak, they always lose (N64 Gamecube, almost SNES). What they excel in is going their own direction (NES, Wii), which is why they won't allow themselves to be caught up in that again.
I don't see how you gathered from my post that Nintendo was always dominant... Quite the opposite.
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Your whole post just stinks of spin. Nintendo had no choice but to do the Wii, if they did a core console they'd have likely done worse than the Gamecube. Correct me if I have this wrong, but you seem to think Nintendo live and breath innovation? Where was that inovation during the Gamecube era, or when the PS1 beat whatever console was up against it?
You just speak like you think Nintendo have owned the gaming scene since they entered, they havn't, they're capable of faltering again and at some point will. They have the least loyal audience this gen despite having the largest userbase, and unless they pull another Wii out of the bag again, they're in the most dangerous position.
Everyone, and you, seem to be so sure Nintendo have another Wii up their sleeve, and then again after that.
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Statements like this make me wonder when exactly you started gaming.
It was called the Nintendo 64, and it's one of the more innovative consoles in the history of gaming. The inclusion of an analog stick set a standard in console gaming that remains to this day, and Nintendo's innovation in gameplay design through Super Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time have laid the ground work for all third person 3D games since. The most basic gameplay of Super Mario 64 was something that had never been seen before that point in time, and mechanics like the Ocarina of Time's targeting system have made appearances in literally hundreds of others games in the past 12 years. Hell, the reason we refer to the perspective from which you view your surroundings in games as "the camera" is because you literally had a guy on a cloud with a camera following you around in Super Mario 64, and the entire game is viewed from his perspective.
The Nintendo 64 was also the first console to introduce rumble, another staple of modern day console gaming. The console suffered at the hands of other missteps from Nintendo execs (sticking with cartridges, ignoring third party developers), but to say there was no innovation during this period is blatantly false.
And I agree with metallicube that there was a bit of luck in Sony's astounding victory in the fifth generation. Well, maybe luck isn't the right word, but Sony's victory was mostly thanks to numerous factors that were out of their control. Coming off the success of the SNES and still enjoying the ongoing success of the GameBoy, it was Nintendo's generation to lose. Their insistence on sticking with expensive and capacity-limited cartridges alongside their callous attitude towards third party developers essentially handed Sony the generation, much like Sony's $599 price tag doomed the PS3 to second place at best this generation. Sony didn't win the fifth generation so much as Nintendo lost it. Sony were, however, very effective in capitalizing on this loss (working with companies like Squaresoft to market titles traditionally on Nintendo platforms), which they do deserve significant credit for.
Both the Nintendo 64 or PlayStation 3 should've been first place consoles in theory, and they certainly had all the potential to dominate the market yet again, but Nintendo and Sony fucked it up.
