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Can P_chan play?



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P_chan said:

Can P_chan play?


next round should be in 1-2 weeks max, check back regularly to see if the game ended and for the link to the signup threat (or just go to the signup thread when you see it openend). If you never played online, folowing this round might be usefull to see what you can expect (lots of reading but you can probably skim through).

/zombie



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only 3 posts in 10 hours?

have you all been infected by a virus? 

this is disconcerting...the game has never had such low activity! lol



Homer_Simpson said:

only 3 posts in 10 hours?

have you all been infected by a virus? 

this is disconcerting...the game has never had such low activity! lol

Well you could help by posting more if you would like.  

I actually dont know what to do,  because I dont know who to believe.   I knida believe that Final Fan is innocent but the information is damning against him,  but there are possible explanations for it.  I almos want to pick a different target to lynch instead of either Final Fan or Homer.   Someone like Metal Gear or something. 



Final-Fan said:

1.  The only thing I've ever said about being able to revive proving I'm town is that it would be crazy if mafia can revive mafia. 

"Do you have anything to say before your "100% fact" takes a nosedive in the face of me bringing someone back from the dead? "

2.  I don't even understand what you're getting at here, there was no random kill. 

I meant, reviving the unkillable doctor is more important than the town taking a random kill (losing a random townie)

3.  This is not how it happened.  This is how I announced:  "Hi, I can bring someone back from the dead.  I thought it was random, but now that I'm looking at my PM again I think I can just pick.  So I'm going to revive Heph."

It was more like you were being accused of mafia, albeit by some random voting by hat and kantor, and then submitted your roleclaim. You may have thought that you were making an innocent randomly timed roleclaim, but in reality, you were under scrutiny and it came off as, "I'm town, not only did I block last nights kill, but I can revive heph".


 "I didn't use it N1 because if the kill is blocked by someone else (e.g. doctor) my power is still used up.  Tonight I figured it was time.  So yes, I stopped the kill.  "

"Yes.  That's right.  I have a one shot ability to take someone who is dead and make them not dead.  This is obviously a single shot power.  Unfortunately, it is also a random power.  Someone will be brought back to life, but I have no control over who it is.  Lol, I had thought the one I used it on was randomized, but upon reviewing my PM it looks like I was insane.  I think I can use this on whomever I want ... and I don't think I'll ever have a better person to use it on than Heph.  (That was not an edit.  I caught this before publication.)  "

But I assume radish is the one reviving the twins, so he has better things to do than cure me, and anyway there's no guarantee the power I have would improve and the longer I wait to use it the more people die and right now I have a 50% 100% shot of reviving our stupidly powerful doctor"

In this quote you actually say that you have a 100% chance of getting heph back despite being confused and not helped by radish.

Secondly, you then say, "any objections to getting heph back?" and "when you decide that I should use this power instead of getting killed tonight without using it..." 

To me, you should have just done it, but you wielded this power as if you didn't want to use it. Why wouldn't you?

Then you change it again
"
OK, turns out I was right the first time, it revives one person RANDOMLY from the dead people.  "

 I thought about asking you guys if I should go now or wait for radishhead to cure me, but then I thought, "screw it, let's do this"  

Then you said this, which is not true as shown above

"It was in my initial roleclaim that I am confused and my power might improve in accuracy if radish were to cure me. "

Then you said
"As for the revival not happening, dtewi hasn't read my PMs, and I chickened out anyway ... pending what you guys want me to do."

Then Homer said
"
Homer_Simpson said:
ffs, damn internet has been down, and now have to read 132 posts >_>
anyway, as per what I discovered last night, 
vote Final Fan

hopefully this wont remove my powers, but I can investigate one person during the game as part of them, last night it was him and I was informed of his being someone who is evil.
makes today easy folks, step up and lynch the confirmed bad guy "

and you used your power of being able to raise someone from the dead as proof of innocence:
"Do you have anything to say before your "100% fact" takes a nosedive in the face of me bringing someone back from the dead? "


It's just a total misrepresentation to say that I originally just said "Hey I can revive someone, aren't I awesome" without the intention to use it, and then someone asked me to use it and then I said "oh wait no ...".  That's not how it went down and I think you have a little bit of revisionist memory going on there to convince yourself you saw it all coming. 

You can see it's not revisionist memory. Either you very poorly understood the macro-context of your posting and errors, or you did understand and were shifting around the story to suit your own ends.

I understand the suspicion against me but that is NOT how it went. 

Maybe you should read from page 11, every post involving you. When you read with just one person in mind, it becomes a story, there's an unknown plot, there's a tone, etc etc. To me, the tone is of you using your role as a defense, creating confusion, and then using it as a defense again.





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theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

1.  The only thing I've ever said about being able to revive proving I'm town is that it would be crazy if mafia can revive mafia. 

"Do you have anything to say before your "100% fact" takes a nosedive in the face of me bringing someone back from the dead? "

2.  I don't even understand what you're getting at here, there was no random kill. 

I meant, reviving the unkillable doctor is more important than the town taking a random kill (losing a random townie)

3.  This is not how it happened.  This is how I announced:  "Hi, I can bring someone back from the dead.  I thought it was random, but now that I'm looking at my PM again I think I can just pick.  So I'm going to revive Heph."

It was more like you were being accused of mafia, albeit by some random voting by hat and kantor, and then submitted your roleclaim. You may have thought that you were making an innocent randomly timed roleclaim, but in reality, you were under scrutiny and it came off as, "I'm town, not only did I block last nights kill, but I can revive heph".


 "I didn't use it N1 because if the kill is blocked by someone else (e.g. doctor) my power is still used up.  Tonight I figured it was time.  So yes, I stopped the kill.  "

"Yes.  That's right.  I have a one shot ability to take someone who is dead and make them not dead.  This is obviously a single shot power.  Unfortunately, it is also a random power.  Someone will be brought back to life, but I have no control over who it is.  Lol, I had thought the one I used it on was randomized, but upon reviewing my PM it looks like I was insane.  I think I can use this on whomever I want ... and I don't think I'll ever have a better person to use it on than Heph.  (That was not an edit.  I caught this before publication.)  "

But I assume radish is the one reviving the twins, so he has better things to do than cure me, and anyway there's no guarantee the power I have would improve and the longer I wait to use it the more people die and right now I have a 50% 100% shot of reviving our stupidly powerful doctor"

In this quote you actually say that you have a 100% chance of getting heph back despite being confused and not helped by radish.

Secondly, you then say, "any objections to getting heph back?" and "when you decide that I should use this power instead of getting killed tonight without using it..." 

To me, you should have just done it, but you wielded this power as if you didn't want to use it. Why wouldn't you?

Then you change it again
"
OK, turns out I was right the first time, it revives one person RANDOMLY from the dead people.  "

 I thought about asking you guys if I should go now or wait for radishhead to cure me, but then I thought, "screw it, let's do this"  

 Then you said this, which is not true as shown above

"It was in my initial roleclaim that I am confused and my power might improve in accuracy if radish were to cure me. "

 Then you said
"As for the revival not happening, dtewi hasn't read my PMs, and I chickened out anyway ... pending what you guys want me to do."

Then Homer said
"
Homer_Simpson said:
ffs, damn internet has been down, and now have to read 132 posts >_>
anyway, as per what I discovered last night, 
vote Final Fan

hopefully this wont remove my powers, but I can investigate one person during the game as part of them, last night it was him and I was informed of his being someone who is evil.
makes today easy folks, step up and lynch the confirmed bad guy "

and you used your power of being able to raise someone from the dead as proof of innocence:
"Do you have anything to say before your "100% fact" takes a nosedive in the face of me bringing someone back from the dead? "


It's just a total misrepresentation to say that I originally just said "Hey I can revive someone, aren't I awesome" without the intention to use it, and then someone asked me to use it and then I said "oh wait no ...".  That's not how it went down and I think you have a little bit of revisionist memory going on there to convince yourself you saw it all coming. 

You can see it's not revisionist memory. Either you very poorly understood the macro-context of your posting and errors, or you did understand and were shifting around the story to suit your own ends.

I understand the suspicion against me but that is NOT how it went. 

Maybe you should read from page 11, every post involving you. When you read with just one person in mind, it becomes a story, there's an unknown plot, there's a tone, etc etc. To me, the tone is of you using your role as a defense, creating confusion, and then using it as a defense again.



quoted for clarity editting



we should ask the mods if game leaders would be allowed to have a mod privilege like editting posts, that would be great.



theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:

***whole bunch of stuff that make Final-Fan look like a lying scumbag***

quoted for clarity editting

Nice job,  that pretty much convinced me

Vote: Final Fan





theprof00 said:

we should ask the mods if game leaders would be allowed to have a mod privilege like editting posts, that would be great.

define a game leader?



Oh also, I'm not saying you're guilty of anything.

I'm saying that given the circumstances, the amount of suspicion you've garnered is completely justified, not crazy, or revisionist, or biased in any way.

I'm supposed to follow vette and dsis. I don't know how much support I want to put into that "order", but dsis asked you if you were an antagonist, and he mentioned something about being similar to homer in that he had a super-cop like ability. I'm willing to give you time if someone can come out and support you, though I'm not sure how much credence I would give someone who claimed you were good, because it is in direct contrast to homer.

There's a lot of stuff in the air right now, homer could be lying, you could be lying, and anyone that comes in with info one way or the other could be lying. All I know is that you have a good chance of being the liar based on your tone, and activity and dialogue, whereas homer seems like a liar just based on his dialogue.

The question I have now is do we lynch homer and by proxy clear your name, or do we lynch you and clear his. That's where I stand. Either way, we are far enough ahead that a sacrifice will be well worth it.

Additionally, you yourself defended not lynching heph because you were worried about losing such an important role. Reality time. Heph didn't have an important role. He had an insane role. And for you to call a mafia reviver insane is just as contraditory. To me an unkillable doctor balances a mafia reviver.

Anyway that's all I have to say. I'm willing to give you a chance, but you have to look at this clearly. The damage has been done. If you ARE town, you made a lot of bad decisions and suspicious actions. These are not up for debate over "why you would do that" or "that never happened", because you would and you did, and given the context, it fits. At this point though there is little that you can debate. You've (accidentally) wasted your proof, and you have nothing else other than "I'm not mafia" or "you know me/you know how I play" or something to that extent, because those events;those facts,...are undeniable.