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Final-Fan on 22 September 2010
dsister said:
I'd be willing to lynch FF just because he has never been lynched before... ^^

I remember an IRL game once ... 
(Quick reminder, in RL games people are nominated for lynches and it's put to discussion followed by an up/down vote)

There was one day where I got nominated for lynching on three separate occasions.  In one day!  The first TWO times I was at L-1.  The third time my defense was literally "If I was mafia you'd have lynched me by now."  I was not lynched that day. 
I was mafia. 



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theRepublic on 22 September 2010
Final-Fan said:
theRepublic said:
theprof00 said:
Additionally, if he were town, he should have used his ability right after heph was lynched, during the night.

That is a great point.  A townie would have brought our doctor back to life immediately that night.  He was the only person dead at that point.  His 'confusion' would not have mattered because there was only one choice at that time.  I think that the only reason that he did it during the Day was because he was secretly bringing Nen-Suer back to life.

Remember what Nen-Suer said when he came back?  He said something about having to jump through a bunch of hoops to gain his 'ultimate' spell or whatever it was.  He thanked Kantor for killing him.  He had to die and be brought back to activate his power.  But how could he be brought back?  Someone on his team had the power to revive him.  That's how.

Vote: Final-Fan

I didn't do it because I wanted to be all dramatic and shit, as detailed above.  Keep in mind that I KNEW I was blocking the mafia kill that night. 

If I had it to do over again, of course I'd do it differently.  But that doesn't change the fact that I'd be insane to act as I did if I was mafia, and if I'm not mafia, my actions are, if not perfectly wise, not insane. 

Now please someone unvote me because I'm feeling as if I could get hammered any second now.

Vigilantes or serial killers didn't cross your mind?  The guy who said he was doomed and going to die didn't cross your mind?

Nen-Suer said that he had to be brought back to life to gain that ability.  How could he do that?  Do you think there is another role out there that can do it?  It had to be you, and my guess is that it had to be a Day Ability.  You did your best to try and cover it up, but I don't believe you.



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Final-Fan on 22 September 2010
theRepublic said:
Final-Fan said:
2.  Rushed unnecessary roleclaim.  I don't think it was rushed at all.  After today, I have completely spent my abilities.  Why NOT roleclaim?  I'm useless now except I might draw the attention of the mafia off of other people, which is good.  (@ mafia:  can you trust me that I'm useless now? hahaha)  I also planned to roleclaim to get people's opinions on whether I should do the random revive, but then I thought I could revive whoever I wanted, but I still wanted to tell you so you would be amazed at my awesomeness and trust me.  I mean seriously, imagine it.  I say "I'm reviving the super-doctor now" and it happens ... I'm golden.  I'd be as innocent as a dead innocent guy you can see on the scoreboard. 

I have no regrets in my making my roleclaim; I regret only that I was confused about whether it was random and the fact that I FORGOT to ask radish to cure me yesterday. 

At the beginning of this Day, you thought that your ability was random.  Why didn't you use it last night when there was only one person dead?

Why so worried about us trusting you?  Someone who had the best interests of the town in mind would have taken the 100% chance of bringing back the doctor last Night instead of waiting until Today.  Instead, your story is that you waited until the Day so you could earn our trust?  The only reason for you to be that concerned with earning the town's trust is because you are scum.

Because I thought that no one would die because I was blocking the mafia kill. 

I was wrong.  I was overconfident.  But THINK.  THINK damn you.  What reason could I possibly have to announce I'm about to revive someone if I'm mafia and I know the one I'm about to revive is also mafia? 



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Final-Fan on 22 September 2010
theRepublic said:
Final-Fan said:
theRepublic said:
theprof00 said:
Additionally, if he were town, he should have used his ability right after heph was lynched, during the night.

That is a great point.  A townie would have brought our doctor back to life immediately that night.  He was the only person dead at that point.  His 'confusion' would not have mattered because there was only one choice at that time.  I think that the only reason that he did it during the Day was because he was secretly bringing Nen-Suer back to life.

Remember what Nen-Suer said when he came back?  He said something about having to jump through a bunch of hoops to gain his 'ultimate' spell or whatever it was.  He thanked Kantor for killing him.  He had to die and be brought back to activate his power.  But how could he be brought back?  Someone on his team had the power to revive him.  That's how.

Vote: Final-Fan

I didn't do it because I wanted to be all dramatic and shit, as detailed above.  Keep in mind that I KNEW I was blocking the mafia kill that night. 

If I had it to do over again, of course I'd do it differently.  But that doesn't change the fact that I'd be insane to act as I did if I was mafia, and if I'm not mafia, my actions are, if not perfectly wise, not insane. 

Now please someone unvote me because I'm feeling as if I could get hammered any second now.

Vigilantes or serial killers didn't cross your mind?  The guy who said he was doomed and going to die didn't cross your mind?

Nen-Suer said that he had to be brought back to life to gain that ability.  How could he do that?  Do you think there is another role out there that can do it?  It had to be you, and my guess is that it had to be a Day Ability.  You did your best to try and cover it up, but I don't believe you.

It would have been the first time in the game that either the serial killer or vigilante accomplished something.  I didn't think of it.  I should have. 

If GoW got Doomed, frankly he had a pretty awesome role as well.  That would have been an acceptable 2nd prize IMO. 

This is boiling my blood.  Town reviver is ridiculous; mafia reviver is psychotic. 



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Final-Fan on 23 September 2010

I don't know what nen-suer meant by that.  Probably he just meant that coming back from the dead gave him a chance to do what he couldn't do when he got killed off too soon. 

The only other possibility is that while I'm confused, I am unbeknownst to me evil and my Phoenix Down is secretly attracted to Sephiroth if he's dead.  Which I do not believe. 



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Final-Fan on 23 September 2010

I understand suspicion against me, but theRepublic is like 100.00% convinced I'm evil.  Just the way he's talking to me exudes total refusal to consider my innocence.  I am very suspicious. 

FoS theRepublic. 



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Final-Fan on 23 September 2010
theRepublic said:
Vigilantes or serial killers didn't cross your mind?  The guy who said he was doomed and going to die didn't cross your mind?

Nen-Suer said that he had to be brought back to life to gain that ability.  How could he do that?  Do you think there is another role out there that can do it?  It had to be you, and my guess is that it had to be a Day Ability.  You did your best to try and cover it up, but I don't believe you.

And by the way NONE of this explains why I would announce to the world I was doing the revive if I knew it would land on Sephiroth. 

And I suppose you also are ignoring the fact that I pushed Stefl to kill the guy who turned out to be Golbez? 



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theprof00 on 23 September 2010
Final-Fan said:

Because I thought that no one would die because I was blocking the mafia kill. 

I was wrong.  I was overconfident.  But THINK.  THINK damn you.  What reason could I possibly have to announce I'm about to revive someone if I'm mafia and I know the one I'm about to revive is also mafia? 


My only thought on this is that you said you could revive someone as part of your evidence of you being town. I remember specifically, you were being accused and said something about it. But then later you changed it to being random. I didn't care. You also mentioned being confused. By the time I found interest, it was because you said you could be cured of confuse, and I was like "why didn't you tell us this already"? Then pretty much everything you've done so far has been, "Then why didn't you do this (clearly better alternative)"?

It's like "why didn't you rez the doctor? Isn't the unkillable doctor a much more important role than some random kill?"

So, to answer your question above: To me it feels like you were using your ability to raise someone from the dead as a reason against lynching you, but then you were called out on your story and asked to use it. This made you nervous because actually the power only works on mafia members. So, you changed your story to it being random. Ok that was acceptable. Then it felt like you tried to call it off by saying, "oh i should be cured first", so I thought, "ok this is getting fishy". And we found out that radish wasted his item. And then the pressure on you sank a little, but then it was back on...
At this point everyone wanted you to do it either way because stefl could just kill him, which he did.

The question "why" would you not do this or that is irrelevant given the context. It's not that complicated. In fact, your questioning of the context is almost like you're pretending not to know your own mother. Anyway, I took my vote off of you, but you can see why we're interested in you.



theprof00 on 23 September 2010
Final-Fan said:

I don't know what nen-suer meant by that.  Probably he just meant that coming back from the dead gave him a chance to do what he couldn't do when he got killed off too soon. 

The only other possibility is that while I'm confused, I am unbeknownst to me evil and my Phoenix Down is secretly attracted to Sephiroth if he's dead.  Which I do not believe. 


i loled,

that cannot be right.

But honestly, you could be some weird evil faction without knowing it. Cloud was very confused!



theRepublic on 23 September 2010
Final-Fan said:
theRepublic said:
Vigilantes or serial killers didn't cross your mind?  The guy who said he was doomed and going to die didn't cross your mind?

Nen-Suer said that he had to be brought back to life to gain that ability.  How could he do that?  Do you think there is another role out there that can do it?  It had to be you, and my guess is that it had to be a Day Ability.  You did your best to try and cover it up, but I don't believe you.

And by the way NONE of this explains why I would announce to the world I was doing the revive if I knew it would land on Sephiroth. 

And I suppose you also are ignoring the fact that I pushed Stefl to kill the guy who turned out to be Golbez?

You said it yourself.  You were trying to prove to the town that you were innocent.  You were trying to hide in plain sight.

GoW_3ever's story was falling apart at the seams.  Many people were suspicious of him.  It was easy for anyone to throw him under the bus.



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