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Erik Aston on 07 April 2007

100 million units really isn't as "mainstream" as you think. A movie like last year's Pirates of the Caribbean 2 sold an estimated 64 million ticket sales in the US alone. Movies were about as old as home consoles are now when Gone With the Wind sold 200 million tickets in the US alone.

Of course that's not a fair comparison... But how about iPod... Apple just sold 21 million of them in the holiday quarter alone. That would be amazing for a whole year for any videogame system. iPod did 46 million on the year.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

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Hus on 07 April 2007
ranzchic said:

Why do you think movies, even though they cost considerably more to make than videogames cost less to enjoy? $50 vs $10-$20. Yup, it's because the market is significantly larger than the videogame industry.


 

2006 Usa box office Movie $9.49-billion

USA Vieogames - $12.00 Billion 


LMFAO yep significantly larger than the videogame industry, i wont bother with the rest.

 

 



Avinash_Tyagi on 07 April 2007
Hus said:

USA Average family size. 3.14

PS2s in us 45million

US pop 300 ,million 

 In the USA there is a PS2 in every other home... this is called MAINSTREAM!!! 

Yeah but in those families how many actually play the machine?  In my hose beofr the Wii none of my family played any of the consoles I owned

 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Erik Aston on 07 April 2007
Hus said:

USA Average family size. 3.14

PS2s in us 45million

US pop 300 ,million 

 In the USA there is a PS2 in every other home... this is called MAINSTREAM!!! 


Recent numbers put US home console penetration at about 41%. Almost all of those with a PS2, since a huge amount of XBox and GC owners were multi-console owners.

However, US home console penetration was brought above 30% by the NES. So the growth since then is shockingly small. Almost all of the market growth of the PS-era is due to growth into Europe, plus ever-growing rates of multi-console ownership.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

Erik Aston on 07 April 2007
Hus said:2006 Usa box office Movie $9.49-billion

USA Vieogames - $12.00 Billion 


LMFAO yep significantly larger than the videogame industry, i wont bother with the rest.


Exactly. Even at an average of less than 7 bucks a ticket, box office alone nearly equals all game revenues, from games, hardware AND accessories, home consoles and handhelds.

Add DVD sales and DVD player sales to that for a fair comparison. Pirates of the Caribbean sold 64 million tickets in a year, and THEN sold 10 million DVDs in one week.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

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Hus on 07 April 2007
ranzchic said:

It's simple, really. Once the Wii is successful at what it was sent out to do, everyone wins, especially the graphic whores.

Massive penetration into the mainstream means actual justification for mega hundred million budget for games. $40 million($20M promotions, $20M actual game production) for Lost Planet was already considered too high. Imagine what they could do with $100 million for production alone. More customers will ultimately mean considerably cheaper software, considerably cheaper systems(imagine the PS3 at $300 right out of the gate) and accesories because a larger number of people are footing the bill. Why do you think movies, even though they cost considerably more to make than videogames cost less to enjoy? $50 vs $10-$20. Yup, it's because the market is significantly larger than the videogame industry.

It also means more people would enter the industry, more creative talents, more games(yes, even more games that graphic whores will like), more "art" videogames(if you thought Okami was the pinnacle of arthouse style video games, you haven't seen nothing yet) and actual stories with actual depth, not some cliched mess. With all due respect to talented videgame developers out there, save for a few legendary ones that are almost godlike anyways, the industry could use more Steven Spielbergs and more Quentin Tarrantinos. The industry should be able sustain more people of similar pedigree if the Wii is succesful at expanding the market.

The Wii was sent out to bake that larger pie for the whole industry. I suppose some belt tightening is in order. You won't see the immediate effects of the Wii, probably not this generation. It's not capable of Gears of War, Halo 3, MGS4 kind of graphics after all. But the future of videogames might just become brighter, thanks to the little bugger that would.


 Wii wont even get near PS2 sales.... fads runs out of steam fast!

 

whole post is pointless. 



Avinash_Tyagi on 07 April 2007
Hus said:
ranzchic said:

It's simple, really. Once the Wii is successful at what it was sent out to do, everyone wins, especially the graphic whores.

Massive penetration into the mainstream means actual justification for mega hundred million budget for games. $40 million($20M promotions, $20M actual game production) for Lost Planet was already considered too high. Imagine what they could do with $100 million for production alone. More customers will ultimately mean considerably cheaper software, considerably cheaper systems(imagine the PS3 at $300 right out of the gate) and accesories because a larger number of people are footing the bill. Why do you think movies, even though they cost considerably more to make than videogames cost less to enjoy? $50 vs $10-$20. Yup, it's because the market is significantly larger than the videogame industry.

It also means more people would enter the industry, more creative talents, more games(yes, even more games that graphic whores will like), more "art" videogames(if you thought Okami was the pinnacle of arthouse style video games, you haven't seen nothing yet) and actual stories with actual depth, not some cliched mess. With all due respect to talented videgame developers out there, save for a few legendary ones that are almost godlike anyways, the industry could use more Steven Spielbergs and more Quentin Tarrantinos. The industry should be able sustain more people of similar pedigree if the Wii is succesful at expanding the market.

The Wii was sent out to bake that larger pie for the whole industry. I suppose some belt tightening is in order. You won't see the immediate effects of the Wii, probably not this generation. It's not capable of Gears of War, Halo 3, MGS4 kind of graphics after all. But the future of videogames might just become brighter, thanks to the little bugger that would.


 Wii wont even get near PS2 sales.... fads runs out of steam fast!

 

whole post is pointless. 


 How do you know its a fad?  People were saying DS was a fad and its still going strong



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Hus on 07 April 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Hus said:
ranzchic said:

It's simple, really. Once the Wii is successful at what it was sent out to do, everyone wins, especially the graphic whores.

Massive penetration into the mainstream means actual justification for mega hundred million budget for games. $40 million($20M promotions, $20M actual game production) for Lost Planet was already considered too high. Imagine what they could do with $100 million for production alone. More customers will ultimately mean considerably cheaper software, considerably cheaper systems(imagine the PS3 at $300 right out of the gate) and accesories because a larger number of people are footing the bill. Why do you think movies, even though they cost considerably more to make than videogames cost less to enjoy? $50 vs $10-$20. Yup, it's because the market is significantly larger than the videogame industry.

It also means more people would enter the industry, more creative talents, more games(yes, even more games that graphic whores will like), more "art" videogames(if you thought Okami was the pinnacle of arthouse style video games, you haven't seen nothing yet) and actual stories with actual depth, not some cliched mess. With all due respect to talented videgame developers out there, save for a few legendary ones that are almost godlike anyways, the industry could use more Steven Spielbergs and more Quentin Tarrantinos. The industry should be able sustain more people of similar pedigree if the Wii is succesful at expanding the market.

The Wii was sent out to bake that larger pie for the whole industry. I suppose some belt tightening is in order. You won't see the immediate effects of the Wii, probably not this generation. It's not capable of Gears of War, Halo 3, MGS4 kind of graphics after all. But the future of videogames might just become brighter, thanks to the little bugger that would.


Wii wont even get near PS2 sales.... fads runs out of steam fast!

 

whole post is pointless.


How do you know its a fad? People were saying DS was a fad and its still going strong


 has any Nin handheld ever done not good ?

 Wii is a videogame console right.... "games" Wii cant compete with games like GT5 Halo3 FF13 .... wii could neever even run these games.

 Once the love affair with the gimmick controller runs out wii is screwd.

 

 



sieanr on 07 April 2007
Erik Aston said:
Hus said:2006 Usa box office Movie $9.49-billion

USA Vieogames - $12.00 Billion


LMFAO yep significantly larger than the videogame industry, i wont bother with the rest.


Exactly. Even at an average of less than 7 bucks a ticket, box office alone nearly equals all game revenues, from games, hardware AND accessories, home consoles and handhelds.

Add DVD sales and DVD player sales to that for a fair comparison. Pirates of the Caribbean sold 64 million tickets in a year, and THEN sold 10 million DVDs in one week.


9.49 billion at $7 per ticket means 1,355,714,285 movie tickets were sold.

12 billion at $50 per game means 240,000,000 games weresold

Yeah, gamings as mainstream as movies despite selling well over a billion less games than movie tickets.

 

Regardless, the above numbers are flawed because they do not take DVD's, piracy, rentals and the cost of consoles into account.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

That Guy on 07 April 2007

Hus, can't you be happy with just owning your PS3 and not bashing other people or their systems? What is it that makes you feel uncomfortable when someone posts something that is Pro-Wii?  Its fine to be Pro- whomever and people will spend their money on whatever they want. Why so much animosity?

 

If you think the thread/post is pointless then don't bother reading or posting in it!