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that are historical events not orders like in the quran

fking shit, inform youserlf before posting such things

 

I dont have time now, but ill show you some quotes of the quran, where it is written that it is allowed and good to kill christians, jews, adherents of other religions and so on

 

the things about killing in the bible arent orders they are historical events, i mean, jesus teached love even love to our enemys, so why should the bible tell us to kill them?



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ProdigyBam said:

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that are historical events not orders like in the quran

fking shit, inform youserlf before posting such things

 

I dont have time now, but ill show you some quotes of the quran, where it is written that it is allowed and good to kill christians, jews, adherents of other religions and so on

 

the things about killing in the bible arent orders they are historical events, i mean, jesus teached love even love to our enemys, so why should the bible tell us to kill them?

You couldn't be more wrong!  Read the old testament sometime.

Following are just a couple of examples:

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst."  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



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you know, god had something like a "contract" with the israelis in the time before jesus, jesus then said for example that Ten Commandments arent as imporant as neighbour love or love to god.

God made the ten commandments and other things in the old testament for the israeli tribe, jesus than came to bring new things that are the rules for the people all over the world and not only israelis.



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ProdigyBam said:

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you know, god had something like a "contract" with the israelis in the time before jesus, jesus then said for example that Ten Commandments arent as imporant as neighbour love or love to god.

God made the ten commandments and other things in the old testament for the israeli tribe, jesus than came to bring new things that are the rules for the people all over the world and not only israelis.

Is this your interpretation?  Because that is not the way it is laid out in the bible.  The new testament clearly states that all of the old testament still applies.  But you can believe what you want to believe.

The point is that Christianity is not all peace and love and blah, blah, blah.  Any religion can be used for evil purposes.  They all have at one time or another.  To say one is better or worse than the other is extremely naive.  Any method of mass control will go awry eventually.



ProdigyBam said:

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you know, god had something like a "contract" with the israelis in the time before jesus, jesus then said for example that Ten Commandments arent as imporant as neighbour love or love to god.

God made the ten commandments and other things in the old testament for the israeli tribe, jesus than came to bring new things that are the rules for the people all over the world and not only israelis.


You don't even understand your own religion so how could you possibly understand someone else's?!

 

 



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Because Muslims live in North America. That's why it's a big deal over here. The U.S. isn't afraid of middle eastern countries, which is why the US is always at war over there. Christians are seeing America as their country and the Muslims are 'invading' which is a flawed way of looking at things. Muslims in America are Americans, just as much as any other tax paying America. They don't live in the middle east. The conflict is very much internal between Americans. 



ProdigyBam said:

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you know, god had something like a "contract" with the israelis in the time before jesus, jesus then said for example that Ten Commandments arent as imporant as neighbour love or love to god.

God made the ten commandments and other things in the old testament for the israeli tribe, jesus than came to bring new things that are the rules for the people all over the world and not only israelis.


You must first understand what Christianity is and then give lecture about other religion.



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TheRealMafoo said:
babuks said:

 

- Mohammed had 15 women, one of them he marriaged in the age of 6 years and made a child in the age of 9 years (when he was 53 years old)

You have to read the whole life style of him. He married at the age of 25 a woman of 40 years old. She was rich. She gave all her money to Muhammad (pbuh). And he spent all of them for poor.

Muhammad (pbuh) did not marry until his first wife died. And only the girl you mentioned of being 6 years old was a virgin, every other wives were widows. So, he did not marry them to meet his lust. His has done them for purpose. You have to read those marriage histories in order to find out the truth.

Umm... sorry, but wtf?

You telling me it's OK to overlook a man knocking up an 8-9 year old because he did some other things in his life that were good? Really? That's your argument?

Oh, and as for "eye for an eye" thing, that's the Jews. Jesus came and changed the rules for the Christians. Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek or some stupid shit.

Then you surely did not read the Bible. Jesus (pbuh) himself said that in Mathew 5:17 - 5:19 - "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till   heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled . 

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Christianity is not a new religion. It is the same as the previous ones and you cannot change the laws of the previous Prophets. So, if you want to take his word as granted, you have to believe in the laws of the previous Prophets namely Moses (pbuh) and others. So, 'eye for an eye' is not jews' property. It is a Christian law as well.


An eye for an eye is not from the ten commandments. I have to go, but look up "he who is without sin cast the first stone" or something or other.


I find I so funny, if someone takes that argument and doesnt even know what it is about.

"Eye for an eye" doesnt mean: "he took my eye so ill take his" No, it means, you always had to pay for whatyou have done. If you took an eye you had to pay 10 dollars for example (dont know what money it was back then) or if someone cut your hand of you had to pay the price of a hand - 15 dollars or something.

Just look it up at wikipedia or somewhere ;)

I have looked 'somewhere' and found this: http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/Biblequestions/eyeforeye.htm

Plz tell me where you found that '10 dollar' theory.



Muslims do have issues to sort out, dealing with secular society, as South Pak has exposed:

Here is info on the episode that is from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200_(South_Park)

The reaction the episode generated made the point the show was trying to discuss.

Not gutless, but I have more important thing to do with my time then rail against extremists and "Christian" pastors who want to disrespect other religions to get media attention for themselves.



I dont agree at all with the OP, you must understand that now the muslim culture is in a sort of "Dark Middle Age" just like the west countries had them about 1.000 years ago and it was theirs "The shining culture of the west world".

 

We need to help them to understand many things we take for granted here, if you take a different point of view, the constitution is like a modern "holy book" for today`s societies.



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