Bingo.

I'm sorry but anyone that uses the I'd like to see you do better argument automatically fails.  If I were a professional you could say that, but I'm not.  Saying someone is better at someone than something else when the other isn't a paid professional is really saying nothing.

That's like if I said the worst player in the NFL was awful but then you proved me wrong by saying I'd to see you do better.

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Eh, why not, proof anyone can be as good as Kanye

Watch this:

And then this:

There's opinion and there's fact.

Opinion: you like Kanye West, that is your personal preference.

Fact: Kanye West is an awful person and an awful musical artist.

It's perfectly cool if you like Kanye West, that's your preference, but that doesn't make him a good artist.

--And for the record, this song was on West's second album well before the death of his mother.  In fact, I like the album version better.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNAR8Gqb1ok&feature=related

Don't knock it 'til you try it.

And if the man is so untalented, explain this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Kanye_West

And if he's racist, why is he one of very few rappers that is going out of his way to work with acts like Maroon 5, Coldplay, Jon Brion and U2?  The man has a big ego but damn if I don't love his music.  As a fan of hip-hop since the 80's, I'm less than satisfied with the direction the music has taken in the last 15 years.  Kanye West is, too.  That's why he makes the kind of music he makes.  That's why he made an album where he did nothing but sing (badly) despite not being a singer.  The stuff that doesn't get headlines or lots of radio play.  The stuff about uplifting people, getting priorities in order, praising Jesus, or loving your family--that's the kind of music that this man makes that I enjoy.  He makes his "I'm so bad ass, I have so much money" songs, too but that's part of being a rapper.

And he's one hell of a producer, too.  Just because you don't know enough about him or don't like him doesn't mean he sucks.  He's a big name and one of the few artists that can still sell platinum albums in this day and age for a reason.

btw 2 pac has the guiness world record of most money earned while dead, and he sold the most rap albums according to wikipedia, Dont put 2pac and B.I.G in the same league as eminem and Jay-Z cause they are a level or two lower

i see what you did there......right