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ChronotriggerJM said:
solidarii said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
stranne said:
@ChronoTrigger:"In a few years time the world will be moving on to High Def, do you think our internet will support 50gig movie downloads in minutes by that time?"

Streaming? I think most of our internet will support 50 gig movie downloads in 1-2 hours by that time.

Also, I think it will be more like on Microsoft's Marketplace. Movies and tv shows in both SD and HD with various sizes and fees. You'll have a lot of choices.

The thing about that though, is Avi was stating that the world isn't comming around to an HD format nearly as quickly as some would like, and in terms of downloading movies? Hell there's more people in america that can operate a DVD player but simply can't figure out how to download... anything o.o; I think digital downloads will have a much more complicated curve to it, the reason high def disk sales are still low is because the ammount of high def TV's is also quite low, and high def players are still quite expensive :P (looking at you blu-ray). Now I believe download's has a semi-edge to it at the moment with the fact that you can download SD movies, but with all these bundles with blu-ray and HD-DVD movies comming with players. It's only a matter of time before HD takes off. And I think that time will be long before we have the internet to support HD downloads.


You are right that the average person doesn't know how to download anything, just like the average person doesn't know how to use even half the features of the PS3. Sony has screwed themselves big time in this generation. They made their system way too advanced and far ahead of its time. The time of HD is NOT now. It will still be several years before HD really takes hold.

And as far as the Sony "10 year plan" with the PS3 goes, what happens if Nintendo releases a system in 4-5 years that is just as powerful as the PS3, costs the same as the original Wii, plays almost every game ever made by Nintendo, and has superior everything? Answer: Sony stops making game consoles...


 LOL far from, by that time the PS3 will cost next to nothing for them to produce, the ps2 is currently still selling quite well :P SONY will push the PS4 out way before the end of the 3's lifespan. The fact that Sony did put out hardware that not everyone understands is great :) People keep forgetting that Sony will push ps3's for 10 years as long as people are buying them :D Will the be top of the line in 5? Probably not, but the ps2 is far from "top of the line" ;)


However, the PS2 sold very well for the last 7 years, while the PS3 is selling like shit...



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solidarii said:
 

However, the PS2 sold very well for the last 7 years, while the PS3 is selling like shit...


 For it's first year compared to the others? It is indeed :) But like stated it's been out a whole year >_>; give it 4 more before you even consider them dropping support for it. I don't know how or what Sony will do, but they've been doing this for a while. So I think we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt don't you?



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ChronotriggerJM said:
stranne said:
@ChronoTrigger:"In a few years time the world will be moving on to High Def, do you think our internet will support 50gig movie downloads in minutes by that time?"

Streaming? I think most of our internet will support 50 gig movie downloads in 1-2 hours by that time.

Also, I think it will be more like on Microsoft's Marketplace. Movies and tv shows in both SD and HD with various sizes and fees. You'll have a lot of choices.

The thing about that though, is Avi was stating that the world isn't comming around to an HD format nearly as quickly as some would like, and in terms of downloading movies? Hell there's more people in america that can operate a DVD player but simply can't figure out how to download... anything o.o; I think digital downloads will have a much more complicated curve to it, the reason high def disk sales are still low is because the ammount of high def TV's is also quite low, and high def players are still quite expensive :P (looking at you blu-ray). Now I believe download's has a semi-edge to it at the moment with the fact that you can download SD movies, but with all these bundles with blu-ray and HD-DVD movies comming with players. It's only a matter of time before HD takes off. And I think that time will be long before we have the internet to support HD downloads.


I agree that it's a problem. I don't see someone like my mom downloading movies...yet. But if they make a simple interface, I'm sure it won't be a problem. Now she's using a TVR with a HDD, I don't see why downloads have to be so much harder. This generation's "marketplaces" are just the first steps.



stranne said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
stranne said:
@ChronoTrigger:"In a few years time the world will be moving on to High Def, do you think our internet will support 50gig movie downloads in minutes by that time?"

Streaming? I think most of our internet will support 50 gig movie downloads in 1-2 hours by that time.

Also, I think it will be more like on Microsoft's Marketplace. Movies and tv shows in both SD and HD with various sizes and fees. You'll have a lot of choices.

The thing about that though, is Avi was stating that the world isn't comming around to an HD format nearly as quickly as some would like, and in terms of downloading movies? Hell there's more people in america that can operate a DVD player but simply can't figure out how to download... anything o.o; I think digital downloads will have a much more complicated curve to it, the reason high def disk sales are still low is because the ammount of high def TV's is also quite low, and high def players are still quite expensive :P (looking at you blu-ray). Now I believe download's has a semi-edge to it at the moment with the fact that you can download SD movies, but with all these bundles with blu-ray and HD-DVD movies comming with players. It's only a matter of time before HD takes off. And I think that time will be long before we have the internet to support HD downloads.


I agree that it's a problem. I don't see someone like my mom downloading movies...yet. But if they make a simple interface, I'm sure it won't be a problem. Now she's using a TVR with a HDD, I don't see why downloads have to be so much harder. This generation's "marketplaces" are just the first steps.


 LOL true, true, were definately moving forward in technology, its just physical media is already in stores, is already generating buzz. I still think it has a much higher chace of immediate takeoff than Downloaded movies.



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ChronotriggerJM said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
I wouldent consider Blu-ray or HD-DVD dead by any stretch yet, digital downloads is all fine and dandy don't get me wrong, but not every person in the world even has High speed interenet yet, it's a market that can't be fully tapped yet until internet technology makes huge leaps and bounds. Plus physical media is what sells to the average consumer at brick and mortar stores (Wallmart says hi). And regardless of how many people use the features in phones, they're there SHOULD they want to, and it definately helps sell the phone, if I can get the same phone with a camera for only $20 more am I going to? Damn strait I am :D


Walmart can say hi all it wants, with Wireless networking making the advance that it is it wont be long til gaming on discs goes the way of the dodo, why do you think things like playstation's online store and virtual console on Wii are being pushed, its the first steps to getting the infrastructure up and running. Like this I own a Wii 2, I want the new Mario game, either I can acess the store at home, or I can take my removable HD, drive to the local store or download center, tell them about it, and they download it onto my HD for me, saves a lot in costs

You might like that phone, but if another tech comes along that does things better than phone won't be purchased, no matter how many gadgets it has.

Besides, people who do care about the features use them, I know several family's that use the PS3's picture viewer on there big screen tv's for family photo's and what not. Like I said earlier the PS3 is just too much for today's standards, a very small percentage of the people even understand what it's capable of doing, but as technology progresses more and more people will come around to it I'm sure, (HDTV's market is rapidly growing).


Yeah by then other tech will be availible that does better, why have a PS3, when you can download a movie on your laptop and watch on your TV screen for less?

That's the problem with convergence, it becomes obsolete too easily

I agree with most of your points, but your argument has a lot of holes, devices like Laptops and Cellphones have so many features because people just don't want to carry that much when there on the go. A stationary home console that always remains connected to your tv is a definite way to go. Many people LIKE bundled packages, well more precisely tech people like bundled packages :P and as I'm sure you've noticed in recent years our numbers seem to be growing.

The way's of 7 remotes in a household is going down the drain. Many many electronics are simplifying, back in the day's of old it was common to have your tape deck, your vcr, your 5 disk cd changer, your snes, and your cable box all hooked up using separate remotes, fewer and fewer households are keeping with this tradition. Technology is a fickle business as most of the worlds population are oblivious, but once it hooks the fish ends up dragging the boat along for the ride.

Like I said you can't even find standard def TV's in stores anymore, and I'm sure you've heard the word about cable providers going digital signal right? In a few years time the world will be moving on to High Def, do you think our internet will support 50gig movie downloads in minutes by that time?

[EDIT] This is straying kind of off topic lol perhaps we should move it elsewhere?

Also note that many movie theaters are going DLP screens ;) Even more high def glory! 


 Most people aren't tech people, that is why your argument fails, most people aren't buying new TV's right now, and actually having a mobile device to watch movies is better, because people are on the go



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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"most people aren't buying new TV's right now"

who is making such statements? HDTVs sell like hotcakes. Sony does make twice as much money with HDTVs and cameras than it is loosing with the gaming business.

I had a study that said by the end of 2007 a third of all US households will have a HDTV. Add the fact that nobody buys SDTVs anymore and it becomes clear that your statements are at best adventurous.

"and actually having a mobile device to watch movies is better, because people are on the go"

Outside of Japan and Korea mobile TV will not be a competition for years. Even when it takes off classic TV will have a central place in entertainment for years .



I just googled it.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/cea062607.htm
June 2007: "30 percent of U.S. households now have a high-def set, but that number will likely rise to 36 percent by year's end."

(most people aren't buying new TV's right now?)



http://www.emarketer.com/Article.aspx?id=1005596

Leichtman said that about one-quarter of US households had HD-capable TVs in 2007, up nearly 100% from 2005. Not all those households were watching HD programming, however.

"With the expansion of HDTV, there will need to be continued consumer education about high-definition programming and products," said Bruce Leichtman, the company's president and principal analyst.

Over three-quarters of HDTV owners thought they were watching HD programming, but Leichtman estimated that about 20% were not actually viewing high-definition signals.

The research company found that mean annual income for HDTV households was 27% above average.


Not quite 1/3, more like 1/4 (its a more recent article than yours) and most of those aren't watch HD service, they just buy it because flatscreens look cool, and 1/4 of US households isn't alot, it'll take years before they are the majority



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

"they just buy it because flatscreens look cool"

who cares why they buy them. They buy millions of them. 2 years ago nobody had them now 25-36% (I don't see why your link should be more believable) have a HD set. Besides these are the households with more money.

So I hope we can agree that we have a lightning fast transition to HD capable TVs (nobody buys them?). It is true though (and nobody did deny it) that many of these HDTV owners have no HD inputs but this will change once HD players get into DVD player pricerange and people get accustomed to the new technology. A couple years ago LCDs were luxus items.



You do realize how INCREADIBLY hard it is to find a non-HD set now don't you? You do realize that in 2008 it will be ILLEGAL to sell non-HD sets don't you? It isn't that people are buying HD sets. People are being forced to buy HD sets.