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dunno001 said:

Hrm... looking through the thread on the "what ifs" part makes this a trickier one, but I'll see how I can do with those:

Case 1- She's clingy. You know these type, and it's also the most likely. "I can wait as long as it takes." "You're the only one for me." These are definitely the hardest type to shrug off. If they start doing this, drop the politeness, and add sternness to the voice tone. Something akin to: "I've already told you no. Even if you could wait, which a huge majority of people actually can't, I can't guarantee I'll even be the same person after at least 7 years. And no, I'm not the only one for you. If there truly was only 1 soulmate for every person on this earth, then why do so many people find one and get married? The odds for that are just too astronomical, and getting further out there every day. It must mean that there are multiple people which with they can get along. The same is true of you. Don't waste your time. Go find another guy; it's not going to happen with me."

Case 2- She's controlling. Technically easy to get rid of, it can be hard to do if it's someone who's a long-time friend. (Then again, a long-term friend shouldn't try to be controlling...) "It's not going to hurt you." "It'll be over before you know it." Things like this. You should know yourself best. (And he, himself, of course.) The way to get rid of these people is by taking control, and being somewhat rude in the process. Something like: "Listen. I know me better than you do. If you feel the need to start this relationship by taking control of me, it already failed. I am me, I'll be damned if I let you take away who I am. Now, drop it. It won't happen." Odds are pretty good that the controlling type will try to interject with 'but's, to which the only correct reply is 'no,' to be said RIGHT after she says 'but.' If she ignores your no and keeps talking, let her talk for a bit, but do not respond to anything she says. When there is a pause, jump back in with "Are you done talking? Because I wasn't. If you're not even willing to listen to me, then get out of my face. There's no chance in hell I'd spend the rest of my life taking orders from you." *Note: Sometimes, you get people who alternate between 1 and 2; switching between them as needed is acceptable.*

Case 3- The crying one. Unless preceded with a slap, most people will see this as a breakup; she is crying to get attention and to make him feel bad. Some guys are a sap for this; his naietivity means that this is a definite concern. The best thing to do here is to console them, trying to get them to look on the other side of the coin, though that will instead get most of them to go to a case 1 or 2, where you should follow those directions. I'd probably spin it like: "Don't cry. Look at it this way: Even if I were to be your boyfriend, I'd not be able to dedicate any time to you for at least 7 years. This is the same as you not having a BF for those 7 years; you'd have nobody to interact with on it. Instead, look for another guy. You're a nice person, it'll take you less than 7 years to find someone else, and then it's less time you spend alone. This really is for your own good and happiness." (Yes, I know that last sentence sounds like case 2; for some reason, it's more effective on the crying types.)

Case 4- The friend test. This is the easiest to get away from. Because a variety of questions will come up here, I can't give a sample dialogue. The way to get away from this is by looking at the med school future and a lack of time. The earlier paragraphs, before the case events, should help in this case.

Case 5- Asked flat-out. This one's just awkward, and will almost definitely be triggered by one question: "Are you gay?" (Nobody ever asks "Are you bisexual?", though it is the other question that will trigger this.) In addition to what you say, body language is suddenly very important here. (In the other cases, since there is no genuine interest, the body will be normal. The most common thing he'll need to be careful of is tensing up; someone who can read bodies will see this and know immediately that he's at least not straight.) While not strictly true, the best reaction I can think of would be a sort of disgusted confused face, followed by "What makes you ask that?" (Again with body reactions, an inquisitive tone is fine, an interested tone is not.)

From here, the questions, and thus, answers, become myriad. A few common cases are- 1. "Well, you don't have a girlfriend, and you're not interested in me.", 2. "I've heard a few people say you might be...", 3. "You've been seen hanging around with guys lately...", or 4. "Well, are you?" And corresponding answers would be: 1. "I don't have the time for one. Because I don't want to say I'll be with you and then neglect them, how does that make me gay?", 2. "And now you believe this? Why do you believe everything you hear?", 3. "What, so I can't be with my friends?" 4 will depend on which of the questions is asked. If it's the common one, he could truthfully say something like "No I'm not, but you're not my type either." If it's the other question, it'll take a bit more of a creative answer to avoid coming out. I might use "I do like women, but not your type."

I can't really give you a good escape route plan until I know the location. If it's her parent's place, for instance, walking out is incredibly rude, whereas it's not even an option if it's at his place. Lemme know that as soon as you know, and I'll see if I can't come up with a couple of those.

Amazing! You're definately a good guy to have around in a crisis.

He said he wants to take her to play tennis. He loves tennis, but she hates it. He initally wanted to take her to a restaurant, but it's obvious why that would be a bad ideea, so I set him straight about that.



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sapphi_snake said:

Amazing! You're definately a good guy to have around in a crisis.

He said he wants to take her to play tennis. He loves tennis, but she hates it. He initally wanted to take her to a restaurant, but it's obvious why that would be a bad ideea, so I set him straight about that.

Eh, like I said, I like helping on things like this. I've done the spectrum on this, from gay guys to lesbians, to, in 1 case, helping both sides of the same straight couple! (To my knowledge, they're still together, too.) And yes, a restaurant is definitely a bad idea!

But that location... it has some very interesting parameters. Ordinarily, if she liked it, I would pose walking away as an option; in this case, she'd probably prefer to leave there, so that negates that. Hrm... this is a tough one... I assume that he's going to be showing her how to play? I'm going to go on this assumption for now. But given that at many tennis courts, finding a unpaired person is tough, that's what makes this one a challenge. If there is an odd person, that gives the easiest option- ignore her and play with this other person. But I can't depend on this. Then we have other variables- how busy is the area? Do people wait for courts to open up, or is it quiet enough that they could very well be the only 2 there?

I guess, if it's just the 2 of them, he can work on his serve, having her return the balls back over from the other side. It sort of uses her as a puppet. She'll probably bore of this quickly, in which case, he goes to ignoring her, and continues to practice. Likewise, if there's a serving machine there, having her load that can also work, with the same final outcome.

In a busier area, with no unpaired person, if it's not too busy, he can practice in one court, and have her watch another game in progress; tell her things to watch for, certain motions, etc, and how they are good for playing. (As I am not a tennis player, I can't give specifics on this.) If it's too busy to have one person on a court for practicing, then watch a game that seems to be doing well. (Current score of 6-0, 6-1, 4-0 not so good, 7-6, 4-6, 3-3 sounds like a winner.) Since silence is etiquette during a volley, he can again have her looking for those motions.

However, those are both for minor cases. It may get bad enough that he simply has to leave. At this point, I would ask about transportation arrangements. If they came seperately (this includes if the park is walkable from home), then the easiest thing is to tell her to go home. If she refuses, then he may not have much choice but to leave. If he's in charge of getting her home, it's a little worse of a case. He can just say flat out that he wants to get X done, regardless of her. If she causes distractions, he'll need to stay later to fix it, and thus she waits longer. He should not, in any way, have it be that she's responsible for getting him home. At that point, he has no power of control, and she can leave at will.

While better than a restaurant from a date perspective, I'm unfortunately not seeing any real good outs for a severe case. But I do think that it may be a good thing, in a way that it shows that he has his hobbies, and that he will continue them, regardless of what she thinks. And this would show more dedication to relaxation than to a relationship. It's got interesting undertones, which is why I think it's a good venue.



-dunno001

-On a quest for the truly perfect game; I don't think it exists...

sapphi_snake said:

He said he wants to take her to play tennis. He loves tennis, but she hates it. He initally wanted to take her to a restaurant, but it's obvious why that would be a bad ideea, so I set him straight about that.

 

Why... for f@ck sake.. why does he wants to take her anywhere?? Don't go taking out girls if you want to avoid trouble.. for these things you can only go on lunch: not so big deal as dinner.. and it's nothing special.. everybody has lunch.. next day you can have lunch with another girl... if there is an akward moment you will be in a public place... if he takes her to tennis she will be in joy cause he is sharing a hobby he loves with her...or does he takes all his friends to tennis?

 



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

NiKKoM said:
sapphi_snake said:

He said he wants to take her to play tennis. He loves tennis, but she hates it. He initally wanted to take her to a restaurant, but it's obvious why that would be a bad ideea, so I set him straight about that.

 

Why... for f@ck sake.. why does he wants to take her anywhere?? Don't go taking out girls if you want to avoid trouble.. for these things you can only go on lunch: not so big deal as dinner.. and it's nothing special.. everybody has lunch.. next day you can have lunch with another girl... if there is an akward moment you will be in a public place... if he takes her to tennis she will be in joy cause he is sharing a hobby he loves with her...or does he takes all his friends to tennis?

 

He says she hates tenis, so she'll hate that he's taking her there.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

dunno001 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Amazing! You're definately a good guy to have around in a crisis.

He said he wants to take her to play tennis. He loves tennis, but she hates it. He initally wanted to take her to a restaurant, but it's obvious why that would be a bad ideea, so I set him straight about that.

Eh, like I said, I like helping on things like this. I've done the spectrum on this, from gay guys to lesbians, to, in 1 case, helping both sides of the same straight couple! (To my knowledge, they're still together, too.) And yes, a restaurant is definitely a bad idea!

But that location... it has some very interesting parameters. Ordinarily, if she liked it, I would pose walking away as an option; in this case, she'd probably prefer to leave there, so that negates that. Hrm... this is a tough one... I assume that he's going to be showing her how to play? I'm going to go on this assumption for now. But given that at many tennis courts, finding a unpaired person is tough, that's what makes this one a challenge. If there is an odd person, that gives the easiest option- ignore her and play with this other person. But I can't depend on this. Then we have other variables- how busy is the area? Do people wait for courts to open up, or is it quiet enough that they could very well be the only 2 there?

I guess, if it's just the 2 of them, he can work on his serve, having her return the balls back over from the other side. It sort of uses her as a puppet. She'll probably bore of this quickly, in which case, he goes to ignoring her, and continues to practice. Likewise, if there's a serving machine there, having her load that can also work, with the same final outcome.

In a busier area, with no unpaired person, if it's not too busy, he can practice in one court, and have her watch another game in progress; tell her things to watch for, certain motions, etc, and how they are good for playing. (As I am not a tennis player, I can't give specifics on this.) If it's too busy to have one person on a court for practicing, then watch a game that seems to be doing well. (Current score of 6-0, 6-1, 4-0 not so good, 7-6, 4-6, 3-3 sounds like a winner.) Since silence is etiquette during a volley, he can again have her looking for those motions.

However, those are both for minor cases. It may get bad enough that he simply has to leave. At this point, I would ask about transportation arrangements. If they came seperately (this includes if the park is walkable from home), then the easiest thing is to tell her to go home. If she refuses, then he may not have much choice but to leave. If he's in charge of getting her home, it's a little worse of a case. He can just say flat out that he wants to get X done, regardless of her. If she causes distractions, he'll need to stay later to fix it, and thus she waits longer. He should not, in any way, have it be that she's responsible for getting him home. At that point, he has no power of control, and she can leave at will.

While better than a restaurant from a date perspective, I'm unfortunately not seeing any real good outs for a severe case. But I do think that it may be a good thing, in a way that it shows that he has his hobbies, and that he will continue them, regardless of what she thinks. And this would show more dedication to relaxation than to a relationship. It's got interesting undertones, which is why I think it's a good venue.

You seem to be very good at this stuff. Impressive. I've saved all your advice in Word and e-mailed it to him.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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sapphi_snake said:
NiKKoM said:
sapphi_snake said:

He said he wants to take her to play tennis. He loves tennis, but she hates it. He initally wanted to take her to a restaurant, but it's obvious why that would be a bad ideea, so I set him straight about that.

 

Why... for f@ck sake.. why does he wants to take her anywhere?? Don't go taking out girls if you want to avoid trouble.. for these things you can only go on lunch: not so big deal as dinner.. and it's nothing special.. everybody has lunch.. next day you can have lunch with another girl... if there is an akward moment you will be in a public place... if he takes her to tennis she will be in joy cause he is sharing a hobby he loves with her...or does he takes all his friends to tennis?

 

He says she hates tenis, so she'll hate that he's taking her there.

I'm telling you.. if he's taking her to the sport he loves and she hates (don't like). the only thing likable/lovable there for her is.......

not to mention he is sharing his loving sport with her which in a future relationship she would have to accept tennis anyway... she will make sandwiches for him when he goes away to play Tennis..



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

NiKKoM said:

I'm telling you.. if he's taking her to the sport he loves and she hates (don't like). the only thing likable/lovable there for her is.......

not to mention he is sharing his loving sport with her which in a future relationship she would have to accept tennis anyway... she will make sandwiches for him when he goes away to play Tennis..

He always takes his friends to play tennis, so him taking her to play tennis may be viewed as selfish on his part, as he knows she hates it.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

well. he can tell her he's in a long distance relationship with an old friend.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:

well. he can tell her he's in a long distance relationship with an old friend.

Long distance relationships never work out. She'd stalk him like a hawk if he told her that. Plus it would still arouse suspicions within his enoturage of friends.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

well. he can tell her he's in a long distance relationship with an old friend.

Long distance relationships never work out. She'd stalk him like a hawk if he told her that. Plus it would still arouse suspicions within his enoturage of friends.

While not true that they NEVER work, it is true that they have a very low success rate. (Says the person who's been through 2 of them, but knows someone who's successfully pulled it off.)

I'm not sure how long distant or old his BF is, but yeah, even if true, it gets to the point now of knowing which truth to say. Lying outright is just a bad idea, but certain truths will cause more suspiscion and prodding. Saying that he's seeing someone would cause poking about and draw other questions, moreso than even this meeting and thus, is more of a hassle than it's worth. The flipside truth, which is also true, is that he's not interested in her. Is he gay? No, and he can say that while being technically honest. It's all a case of knowing that each question has at least 2 answers, AND being able to figure out where each of the answers will go. Usually, the hardest ones to be quizzed on are the ones that pull things internally (something about me, not someone else), and concretes to societal norms (confirming what people assume about everyone, not a deviated conclusion). You may have noticed that I do a lot of the former- I would feel bad, I don't have time, etc. The advantage to being bisexual is that it also makes the second category easier to answer in this case. If I weren't out, and someone asked if I was gay, I would have to craft an answer, probably on the spot. (I'd play into the case 5 in an above post, and try to get attention away from sexuality fast.)

But anyway, these are all asides. I don't want to add too much asides that probably won't come up and is only more things racing through a mind. In all honesty, I felt better after coming out, but if he's got that huge jeopardy risk, I can see why he wouldn't- too much to lose. He knows the truth about himself there; that's what matters.



-dunno001

-On a quest for the truly perfect game; I don't think it exists...