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Diablerie on 29 August 2010
Mr.Metralha said:
Severance said:

Stop posting bullshit threads.

Bullshit thread is the one you created with flamebait for the Nintendo crowd.

Ontopic: The way the twin towers came down was way too perfect to be caused by a mere plane crash. That's why I believe that there's something on the story that hasn't been told already.

As for al-Qaeda, I named a dog after them, that's the respect I have for those gentleman's.


I'm only part way through this thread but for now I need to reply and all I have to say is...

Controlled Demolition, people reported at the top of towers (that were supposed to be "too hot"), melted steel near the bottom levels the buildings (why?), more gold than Fort Knox, but only a small amount recovered, bomb sniffing dogs removed a week before the crashes, put-up options tripled in the days before the crashes, a very very very small amount of wreckage recovered from the other two site "crashes",  calls made home from one of the planes where they for some reason needed to tell their loved ones their full names, from a distance so high that no commercial flight would have the technology to make those calls untl years later and the pentagon crash hitting a part of the building that just so happened to be under construction, oh and the tape released so far has been a few frames of horrible footage that does not show an airplane.



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Squilliam on 29 August 2010

The USA is probably worse than that organisation whose name starts with an A. All the reason you need is a country starting with the letter V.



Tease.

TheRealMafoo on 29 August 2010
DrStephenTColbert said:
TheRealMafoo said:
im_sneaky said:

He said the U.S. killed more innocent muslims than Al-qaeda, and he is right. American foreign policy armed Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, so it could be said that they caused 9/11.


That's like saying whoever invented the gun, caused the death of everyone who was shot and killed by one.


Not exactly.  The speech was given in 2005, after the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.  It was estimated that in 2003, there were more than 70000 Iraqi civilian casualties.  http://www.cdi.org/PDFs/CRS on Civilian Casualties 2007.pdf

If you look at Rauf's speech in context, it's pretty clear that he's talking about the comparatively higher cost that Iraqi citizens had paid at the hands of U.S. forces.  Then again, when comments are examined in context, they seem a lot more sensible, and far less hate-filled, so forget that!


I was talking about the "American foreign policy armed Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, so it could be said that they caused 9/11." line. 



TheRealMafoo on 29 August 2010

Here is the thing I don't understand...

There are heated relations between the US, and the Muslim community as a whole.

For half of the people in this thread, it's 100% America's fault, and the Muslim community has done nothing wrong.

How can anyone really think this?



Scoobes on 29 August 2010
Kynes said:
Scoobes said:
theman88 said:

Christianity is older than Islam, yet for 2000 years the muslims have been fighting amongst each other     yes the west and us infidels are worse than Muslims    .... blow me

Ignorance at it's finest here. How can muslims have been fighting each other for 2000 years when the religion is nowhere near that old.

And do you honestly believe Chritianity doesn't have as much blood-shed in its history as Islam or any other religion for that matter?


There is a difference between Islam and all the other religions. Holy war. There have been errors in Christianity, hundreds of years ago, but the crusades aren't one of the precepts of Christianity, they were errors of a time where popes were also kings.

It all comes down to misinterpretations of said religions though. Technically, in Islam, war is only meant to be waged if you are defending and they also have set rules about combat which are completely opposed to terrorist activity.




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Kynes on 29 August 2010
Scoobes said:
Kynes said:
Scoobes said:
theman88 said:

Christianity is older than Islam, yet for 2000 years the muslims have been fighting amongst each other     yes the west and us infidels are worse than Muslims    .... blow me

Ignorance at it's finest here. How can muslims have been fighting each other for 2000 years when the religion is nowhere near that old.

And do you honestly believe Chritianity doesn't have as much blood-shed in its history as Islam or any other religion for that matter?


There is a difference between Islam and all the other religions. Holy war. There have been errors in Christianity, hundreds of years ago, but the crusades aren't one of the precepts of Christianity, they were errors of a time where popes were also kings.

It all comes down to misinterpretations of said religions though. Technically, in Islam, war is only meant to be waged if you are defending and they also have set rules about combat which are completely opposed to terrorist activity.

Technically, Islam is a religion of peace. In the practice, in our times, we have too much counter examples. You can't say the same about any other main religion, so something in Islam is screwed.



im_sneaky on 29 August 2010
TheRealMafoo said:

Here is the thing I don't understand...

There are heated relations between the US, and the Muslim community as a whole.

For half of the people in this thread, it's 100% America's fault, and the Muslim community has done nothing wrong.

How can anyone really think this?


FTR what i said was not my opinion, but what I thought may be the opinion of some people.



 

 

SpartenOmega117 on 29 August 2010

All I know is that there are extremists in every religion. If you think about it here in the U.S. crimes are done every day and mostly by christians. They don't get that much publicity because most people in the U.S. are christians. Most of the reporters are probably christians and of course they don't want their religion to look bad. Whenever a person with brown skin/ muslim ever commits a crime the media always emphasizes the religion or country the person is from.



Kynes on 29 August 2010
SpartenOmega117 said:

All I know is that there are extremists in every religion. If you think about it here in the U.S. crimes are done every day and mostly by christians. They don't get that much publicity because most people in the U.S. are christians. Most of the reporters are probably christians and of course they don't want their religion to look bad. Whenever a person with brown skin/ muslim ever commits a crime the media always emphasizes the religion or country the person is from.


Are you comparing "normal" crimes with religion driven crimes?



SpartenOmega117 on 29 August 2010
Kynes said:
SpartenOmega117 said:

All I know is that there are extremists in every religion. If you think about it here in the U.S. crimes are done every day and mostly by christians. They don't get that much publicity because most people in the U.S. are christians. Most of the reporters are probably christians and of course they don't want their religion to look bad. Whenever a person with brown skin/ muslim ever commits a crime the media always emphasizes the religion or country the person is from.


Are you comparing "normal" crimes with religion driven crimes?


there are many chrisitan religion driven crimes too. search up africa and christianity at the same time and you will see what i mean