I really like the Japanese way.
The best universities are "state" universities, and they are fully paid for.
Everyone else pays for private universities.


I really like the Japanese way.
The best universities are "state" universities, and they are fully paid for.
Everyone else pays for private universities.


nordlead said:
In part it is because the government makes it so easy to get loans. Since it is easy to get loans, schools figure they can charge whatever they want and people can take out more loans. The government is more than happy to have more loans given out and the cycle repeats. Inflation is ~3%, school tuition costs go up about 7%. Obviously there is something wrong with the system, and having the government pay for it (like a lot of European countries) isn't the solution needed. I mean, if we did that we'd end up with the university system working like the stupid NY State school system (In NYS you have to take "regents exams" which are only recognized within NYS. To make matters worse we waste tons of money on it and all they do is teach students how to pass the test, not about the actual subject). |
Actually, private banks make loans out also. They are structured so you can't ever default on them, file bankruptcy or anything else. It is possible to see welfare payments ans social security garnished to pay them. End result is lenders lend without even giving thought to whether what students borrow for will ever translate into employment.
Under this system, I have witnessed my student loans go from owed $32K to over $50K with no signs of myself being able to pay back, because I can't find work.
I have over $50k in student loans and it's pretty lame.
SamuelRSmith said:
I don't see how this would be a class issue, as University fees tend to be paid after the student has left the University - and the jobs that students will be getting should be paying more than enough to offset the increased cost of University. Like I said, this won't be limiting to the poor people of this country because they're not expected to pay up until they, themselves, hit a certain level of income (as is how Student Finance works) - but the increased costs of Uni will make some people reconsider, and, thus only those who receive the greatest benefit in going will go - helping to fight off this "education inflation" that we have been seeing in the past couple of decades. More importantly, however, is that this will mean that the Universities will no longer need to mug off foreign students to help cover the costs of teaching Britons. This will allow British Universities to become more competitive in the international educational market. We do currently do quite well in these regards, (second only to the United States in terms of attracting international students). However, this is a title that is slowly slipping. Britain used to attract a lot of Chinese students - however, more and more are deciding to stay closer to home: either staying in China, or going to Universities in South Korea, and other developed areas in the region (not to mention the ever-shrinking market of China - what with the one-child policy). British Universities could become more competitive, by offering lower tuition fees to foreign students (which are currently extortionate). The overall increases in revenues both from charging domestic students more, and attracting more foreign students, will allow the Universities to reinvest, improving the Universities, and improving the value of a British degree. |
The first duty of the British government is to the British people. Ridiculously cheap university tuition is a sort of way of thanking everyone for paying such exorbitant taxes on everything. The only reason we pay higher taxes than pretty much everyone else in the world (combined :/) is that the government subsidises everything. Hell, private school here is government subsidised, in a way.
Not everybody who goes to university is going to get a job which pays them enormous amounts of money. Even at today's relatively cheap rate, it's a good £30,000 you need to save up for a three year course. That will be a year's salary for the best of university graduates. Plus the interest on the student loan.
As for foreign students...look, they haven't lived in this country. They're not entitled to anything here, least of all cheap university education, which is a luxury even amongst our own people. International student prices here are still much cheaper than, say, America, but I think it's only fair that if a non-UK-resident wants to come here and study at some of the best universities in the world, they should have to pay a large amount of money. Harvard and Yale aren't cheap by any stretch of the imagination for foreigners, and Oxford and Cambridge shouldn't be either.
| theprof00 said: I really like the Japanese way. The best universities are "state" universities, and they are fully paid for. Everyone else pays for private universities. |
The only problem with that is that you need to have a better publicaly run school system then privately run college.
Which... isn't gonna happen in the US. Private Schools are the best because they attract the talent.
Though some state schools are at the top.

This is why people dont go to college! I have already accepted the fact that I will be paying off my student loans for the rest of my life.
| theprof00 said: I really like the Japanese way. The best universities are "state" universities, and they are fully paid for. Everyone else pays for private universities. |
Fortunately that's the portuguese way as well.
Spedfrom said:
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the only problem with the japanese way is that it puts a lot of pressure on students who end up with a very high suicide rate. Is it the same in portugal>?


theprof00 said:
the only problem with the japanese way is that it puts a lot of pressure on students who end up with a very high suicide rate. Is it the same in portugal>? |
No, because we don't have the pressure of upholding the family's honor and disgracing ourselves in our parents' eyes. It doesn't mean we don't give a shit, of course we do. But the japanese have those heavy cultural impositions.
Over here people that go to private universities are generally looked a bit down upon, since they usually go to one of those when their grades aren't high enough for the public ones.