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MARCUSDJACKSON on 27 August 2010

so i had breakfast and everything was back to normal.

hatred on any scale can't be excused or tolerated!

hey how about those miners traped 1m below the surface?



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 27 August 2010
NKAJ said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Let me ask you all this...

If there was a sect of Christianity, that wanted to reshape the US to be under Absolute Christian Law and wanted to destroy our liberty and religious freedoms, and this sect of Christianity was building churches all over the place, would you defend them?

I would hope not. Now, in modern Christianity we don't have this kind of thing. We used to hundreds of years ago, but not today. In Islam however, we do. There is a Islam that is religion, and there is Islam that is a political organization. The radical Islamic movement wants the US to live under Shia law. This means they want to reshape our government to rule under Islamic law.

The Imam who wants to build that Center is for this. In fact he wants the entire world under one Islamic political state, ruled by the laws of god.

This man, and every man like him, can go fuck themselves. The other 99% of Muslims, can continue to practice and enjoy there religious freedoms in this country, and build Islamic centers anywhere they want.

Fighting the offenses of people with these views is not an attack on Islam. It's defending liberty, and not allowing it to be destroyed, under the false pretense of political correctness, and religious freedom.


You just made my day!



real mofo you got me all over the place here so i'l just agree with the last paragraph and say to the rest i didn't know.



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Mendicate Bias on 27 August 2010
Slimebeast said:
Mendicate Bias said:

Do you want to know why most Islamic states are in such horrible shape right now? It is directly because of the American and English interference.

A lot of you scream at the top of your lungs over the smallest and most insignificant things, yelling about liberals this and liberals that. Where were you when your conservative government went to war with two different countries when every single 9/11 hijacker was from Saudi-Arabia? Where are your protests, why don't you demand your conservative leaders to attack Saudi Arabia with one of the most backwards governments in the world. Why has not a single Republican said a single thing against Saudi Arabia? Democrats are just as guilty of this too, but the point stands.

No the fact is that America wants the king to stay in power in Saudi Arabia because he sells America oil for cheap and buys our second hand weapons. America was the one that overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader 35 years ago because he nationalized Iran's oil. America was the one that gave Sadam Hussein the chemical weapons he used against the kurds and Iranians. America were the ones that trained the Taliban and gave them the weapons to come into power.

That's just nonsense and lies.

Mendicate Bias said:

You bitch and you moan about the intolerance in the middle east but everything that you see there is as a direct result of American meddling.

And immigrants bitch and whine and blame the West for their own problems.

 

Nonsense and lies? Have you ever read a single history book on the subject because you sound ridiculously ignorant. Here let me start you off nice and simple, want to know how Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister who had created a full fledged democracy in Iran was overthrown by America then go read All the Shah's Men. Everything I said is clearly documented in all the history books. 

Your like the person that calls evolution a lie even though you haven't read a single book about the theory.

@Kaz

So it is irrelevant that the 99% of international terrorists come from Saudi Arabia (with a decent number from Pakistan too)? It is irrelevant that they are given free reign to move through middle eastern countries and are not subject to any laws that would hinder their funding within their home country? It is irrelevant that America is giving their leaders money for oil which in turn is being given to these people who bring it across the borders to terrorist camps? It is irrelevant that there are any number of terrorist organizations operating within Saudi Arabia with free reign? It is irrelevant that we gave the Taliban and subsequently Osama the training required to plan out these attacks?

This is not about liberals or conservatives, these are just words given to us by greedy parties to conform us into neat little ideologies. Think for yourself, don't let your party think for you. America is the land of the free and just for its own people, for everyone else its quite a different story, just read a little history and you will see why.



                                           

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mhsillen on 27 August 2010

Look how tolerant we are 

We are not going to prosecute that peace loving rascal radical muslin terrorist who blew up the USS cole

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082606353.html?hpid=moreheadlines&sid=ST2010082700364



johnsobas on 27 August 2010
mhsillen said:

Look how tolerant we are 

We are not going to prosecute that peace loving rascal radical muslin terrorist who blew up the USS cole

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082606353.html?hpid=moreheadlines&sid=ST2010082700364

i don't think anyone wants tolerance for people who were directly involved in acts of terror.  



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Rath on 27 August 2010
nobodyspecial said:
Rath said:
nobodyspecial said:
Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

When Muslim fanatics kill Americans (after, say, the Fort Hood slaughter) a reflexive response from the Obama administration is to fret over anti-Islamic backlash.

Obama and Co. automatically proclaim that such orchestrated terrorist attacks are “isolated” events. But when it comes to mainstream Americans, veterans, ObamaCare opponents or (shudder) tea partiers, there’s no generalization too broad or too insulting for the left.

This x1000.

That's the second time today you've made this implication that the left is guilty of something that the right isn't. I'm certainly not fabricating the people walking around with signs saying "Islam Kills."


But Islam does kill, the Koran instructs muslims to kill:

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush." (Sura  9:5)

Sura 2:187-189 “And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels."

But they shouldn't kill one of their own who has killed a "kafir":

“No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel).”(Hadith vol. 9:50)


However if a muslim stops being a muslim then they're fair game:

“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”  (Hadith 9:45; 84.2.57.)


And the Bible instructs Christians to stone disobedient children. Moderates of both religions know what rules not to follow.

How many Christians have stoned disobedient children because they read it in the Bible? (Or at all for that matter, lol!) And how many muslims have killed "kuffar"? Besides, did Jesus say to stone disobedient children? I don't know if you're a muslim or not but if you're not then why are you defending a cult that ultimately wants to kill you if you won't convert? Because if you don't have a problem with Islam then you can't have a problem if your country becomes islamic and if your country becomes islamic then it's more likely than not that it will have sharia law and if it has sharia law then your life expectancy is severely endangered if you're not and refuse to become a muslim.


I'm not a Muslim but I'm defending a religion that is largely made up of moderates who just want to live a peaceful life. Also the last half of your post was just bullshit non-sequiturs.

If I don't hate Islam then I must be ok with my country having Sharia law? Completely doesn't follow. A lot of moderate Muslims don't even want Sharia law.



FaRmLaNd on 27 August 2010

Every single problem in the middle east is caused by the west? Thats simply not true, I mean terroists spend most of their time killing other Muslims, not westerners. Externallising all issues in countries leads to huge problems aswell. Of course the west certainly has done its fair share of horrible things, but to say everything bad in the middle east is caused by the west is simply not true.



TheRealMafoo on 27 August 2010
Rath said:

If I don't hate Islam then I must be ok with my country having Sharia law? Completely doesn't follow. A lot of moderate Muslims don't even want Sharia law.


But what about the ones that do? At what point, do you stop defending a religion, and start defending freedom?

What will it take for you to look at a particular Muslim and say "Your not allowed to do that in the name of your religion".

I realize bombing something counts, but is anything short of that OK?



johnsobas on 28 August 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:

If I don't hate Islam then I must be ok with my country having Sharia law? Completely doesn't follow. A lot of moderate Muslims don't even want Sharia law.


But what about the ones that do? At what point, do you stop defending a religion, and start defending freedom?

What will it take for you to look at a particular Muslim and say "Your not allowed to do that in the name of your religion".

I realize bombing something counts, but is anything short of that OK?


well obviously breaking the law is the point at which it is not OK, whenever that takes place.  Defending freedom is exactly what people are doing here, it's ironic that you want to protect our freedom by taking it away.  



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TheRealMafoo on 28 August 2010
johnsobas said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:

If I don't hate Islam then I must be ok with my country having Sharia law? Completely doesn't follow. A lot of moderate Muslims don't even want Sharia law.


But what about the ones that do? At what point, do you stop defending a religion, and start defending freedom?

What will it take for you to look at a particular Muslim and say "Your not allowed to do that in the name of your religion".

I realize bombing something counts, but is anything short of that OK?


well obviously breaking the law is the point at which it is not OK, whenever that takes place.  Defending freedom is exactly what people are doing here, it's ironic that you want to protect our freedom by taking it away.  


I want to take away your freedom to destroy liberty. That's what We did to the British when we founded this country.

How about we change the players...

Let's say I started a religious sect, and called it "The Christian Nazi Church of God". My church believed that for the US to be under True law, that only Christians could hold office, and no Muslim or Jew should be allowed to step foot into Washington DC. This is this the way, though my Christian god, I wished my country to become.

I found the highest concentration of Jews in the US (somewhere in New York), and I started building my 15 story church, finished with a 100 foot Swastika and Cross on the top.

Would you think everyone who is against this church, is anti-Christian? Would you think not helping there vision of a perfect world be suppression of freedom?

Would you fight for there religious equality?