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In Nov 2012 next gen will launch I believe with Xbox 3.

But the X360 could be manufactored for at least another two years past the launch of Xbox 3, so into 2014 or something.



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might happen for the 360, but a new system will release before then thats for sure.



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leatherhat said:

You know, this doesn't really fit the topic but since I don't see a better place to ask Ill do it here. Why do game companies and gamers alike assume that to get people to game you need some shallow, crappy game like wii sports, sport champions, kinectimals etc.? All of us on this site are "core gamers" and we certainly didn't get started on such nonsense. Wouldn't it be better to give them fun experiences that challange them slightly so you  make new gamers and not just people jumping in for 2 seconds of fun then going right back to movies/books/tv ?

Wii Sports isn't a shallow, crappy game. Wii Sports is the fun and challenging experience you speak of. Unfortunately, many game companies and gamers assume think that Wii Sports is a shallow, crappy game, so they make their own shallow, crappy games and hope to make as much money as Nintendo.

Wii Sports is a powerful game that offers a lot of challenge. You can play the game for weeks and still get better. Of course you are free to disagree if you managed to get all gold medals. If you got all platinum medals, even more power to you.

Are you talking about the training mode? Thats not exactly what I had in mind when I meant challenging experiences. If you want a good example of a casual, "downmarket", and good game you should get peggle or some other type of popcap game. 

Nintendo casual=braindead

popcap casual=simple yet fun



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superchunk said:
leatherhat said:
Funtime said:
leatherhat said:

You know, this doesn't really fit the topic but since I don't see a better place to ask Ill do it here. Why do game companies and gamers alike assume that to get people to game you need some shallow, crappy game like wii sports, sport champions, kinectimals etc.? All of us on this site are "core gamers" and we certainly didn't get started on such nonsense. Wouldn't it be better to give them fun experiences that challange them slightly so you  make new gamers and not just people jumping in for 2 seconds of fun then going right back to movies/books/tv ?

You can't compare the 60 000 members of this site to the millions and millions of gamers (both casual and hardcore) out there that would never even think to go on a video game website. People here are a minority. If this site represented the rest of the world PS3 would be sitting in first with about 80 million sold right now and Xbox 360 would be in 3rd with about 25 million.

I'm not talking about just vgchartz. Tens of millions got into gaming without simplistic motion control games. And people aren't born "core" or "casual", they become them overtime. Meaning when the tens of millions of gamers out there started playing they  jumped in and slowly became core with high quality games and not shovelware filled peripherals. 


Wrong. I started on Atari which consisted of primarily simplistic games as compared to today's "core" games.

On top of that FAR more people play flash web games than anything any console puts out showing far more regular "gamers" enjoy the simply quick games. Nintendo simply captured what was extensive on the web and started that on the consoles.

Once they buy these games on a home console, these players are more likely to buy a slightly more complex game like NSMBWii and potentially keep moving up the game tree depending on their own personal lives. Some people just don't have time for longer in-depth games. Reason why the only game I purchase that takes a real long time to beat is Zelda.

Other than that, most of my games are less than 20hrs games. As it is it takes me months to get through it in my shorter play spurts.

Its not about length. Mario and wii sports are both pick up and play but Mario is a much better game. Games like TF2 are also very pick up and play and conducive to short bouts of gaming. And yet companies continue to produce motion control gimmick based games thinking that this is the best way to hook people. 



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MrT-Tar said:
gekkokamen said:

One thing is left to be answered : Is it possible to address both the CORE and the CASUAL at the same level? Is it possible for a system to tap (very succesfully) into this huge market the Wii has awaken and at the same time be very succesful with the hardcore gamers? 

 


there you go

Nah, not really....it's the closest thing , yes but it's a portable device and portable gaming is not really hardcore. If it wasn't for the casual focus, the DS wouldn't be selling more than a PSP.



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leatherhat said:
superchunk said:
leatherhat said:
Funtime said:
leatherhat said:

You know, this doesn't really fit the topic but since I don't see a better place to ask Ill do it here. Why do game companies and gamers alike assume that to get people to game you need some shallow, crappy game like wii sports, sport champions, kinectimals etc.? All of us on this site are "core gamers" and we certainly didn't get started on such nonsense. Wouldn't it be better to give them fun experiences that challange them slightly so you  make new gamers and not just people jumping in for 2 seconds of fun then going right back to movies/books/tv ?

You can't compare the 60 000 members of this site to the millions and millions of gamers (both casual and hardcore) out there that would never even think to go on a video game website. People here are a minority. If this site represented the rest of the world PS3 would be sitting in first with about 80 million sold right now and Xbox 360 would be in 3rd with about 25 million.

I'm not talking about just vgchartz. Tens of millions got into gaming without simplistic motion control games. And people aren't born "core" or "casual", they become them overtime. Meaning when the tens of millions of gamers out there started playing they  jumped in and slowly became core with high quality games and not shovelware filled peripherals. 


Wrong. I started on Atari which consisted of primarily simplistic games as compared to today's "core" games.

On top of that FAR more people play flash web games than anything any console puts out showing far more regular "gamers" enjoy the simply quick games. Nintendo simply captured what was extensive on the web and started that on the consoles.

Once they buy these games on a home console, these players are more likely to buy a slightly more complex game like NSMBWii and potentially keep moving up the game tree depending on their own personal lives. Some people just don't have time for longer in-depth games. Reason why the only game I purchase that takes a real long time to beat is Zelda.

Other than that, most of my games are less than 20hrs games. As it is it takes me months to get through it in my shorter play spurts.

Its not about length. Mario and wii sports are both pick up and play but Mario is a much better game. Games like TF2 are also very pick up and play and conducive to short bouts of gaming. And yet companies continue to produce motion control gimmick based games thinking that this is the best way to hook people. 

Have you played Wii Sports (Resort particularly)?



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radishhead said:
leatherhat said:
superchunk said:
leatherhat said:
Funtime said:
leatherhat said:

 

 

I'm not talking about just vgchartz. Tens of millions got into gaming without simplistic motion control games. And people aren't born "core" or "casual", they become them overtime. Meaning when the tens of millions of gamers out there started playing they  jumped in and slowly became core with high quality games and not shovelware filled peripherals. 


Wrong. I started on Atari which consisted of primarily simplistic games as compared to today's "core" games.

On top of that FAR more people play flash web games than anything any console puts out showing far more regular "gamers" enjoy the simply quick games. Nintendo simply captured what was extensive on the web and started that on the consoles.

Once they buy these games on a home console, these players are more likely to buy a slightly more complex game like NSMBWii and potentially keep moving up the game tree depending on their own personal lives. Some people just don't have time for longer in-depth games. Reason why the only game I purchase that takes a real long time to beat is Zelda.

Other than that, most of my games are less than 20hrs games. As it is it takes me months to get through it in my shorter play spurts.

Its not about length. Mario and wii sports are both pick up and play but Mario is a much better game. Games like TF2 are also very pick up and play and conducive to short bouts of gaming. And yet companies continue to produce motion control gimmick based games thinking that this is the best way to hook people. 

Have you played Wii Sports (Resort particularly)?

Yeah



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binary solo said:

That's good news for PS3. The longer 360 lingers the longer PS3 has to eat into its huge deficit before PS4 rolls off the production lines.

Still I expect MS is really looking at end of 2012 for 720 with 360 cruising along for another year, or 18 months. I don't see MS dropping the 360 like they did the Xbox, especially not now that they have a very reliable console now, but I don't see 360 being actively on market for 10 years.

It'll certainly be another 5 years at least before I buy another console.

This based on the fact that the 360 is currently outselling the PS3, and might well continue to do so until after Christmas?



gekkokamen said:

You know, companies can wish for all they want....ultimately it is the consumer who decides the lifespan of any product. If general interest on today's consoles falls to the ground and software sales, especially from third parties start to decline more and more, companies like Microsoft and Sony will have NO CHOICE but to reactivate the market with something "new" to make the big $$$ for them and their partners, again.


This doesn't mean there won't be a new Xbox before that time, it means that the current Xbox 360 will be on the market by their intentions alongside the next Xbox. Based of consumer interest alone at this precise point, the Xbox 360 can justify another 3 years at least on the market with or without next generation consoles, especially if those consoles are more expensive.



Tease.

SecondWar said:
binary solo said:

That's good news for PS3. The longer 360 lingers the longer PS3 has to eat into its huge deficit before PS4 rolls off the production lines.

Still I expect MS is really looking at end of 2012 for 720 with 360 cruising along for another year, or 18 months. I don't see MS dropping the 360 like they did the Xbox, especially not now that they have a very reliable console now, but I don't see 360 being actively on market for 10 years.

It'll certainly be another 5 years at least before I buy another console.

This based on the fact that the 360 is currently outselling the PS3, and might well continue to do so until after Christmas?

Fixed to prevent confusion :P



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