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Teo said:
sapphi_snake said:
Teo said:
lestatdark said:
AkibaFan said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

tht must have been hard for you. hopefully they will supprt u soon

It was harder for my dad, since he was a bit torn

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.

I hope you're not insulting his religion. That's just mean dude. Not cool.

As an atheist, I must defend logic.

Since when does a lack of belief in something call for an action to do anything?  My lack of belief in the easter bunny doesn't call me to start yodeling at random intervals.



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Teo said:
lestatdark said:
AkibaFan said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

tht must have been hard for you. hopefully they will supprt u soon

It was harder for my dad, since he was a bit torn in that time. I really don't mind if they don't support me, it's their decision. It just saddens me to personally know people who know little of what is to actually love and comprehend all for what they are, closed in dogmas that have no sense nowadays.

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.

And why do you pin Wiccans as fervent believers of some mystical and unexplained force? What we call magick can be explained as a series of practices meant to be some form of meditation, that can enhance the production of stimulants inside the body for our well being.

Incenses and herb teas have been scientifically proven to stimulate production of endorphin, serotonin and dopamine, which are very important well-being hormones.

You say that you as an atheist must question everything logically. I do that as well, since I'm a geneticists. I logically know that most of the things we believe in don't seem logical at first glance, but it's far from being so.

As for the belief in pagan gods, well, that just boils down to personal belief of something bigger than ourselves I guess.

And for your last comment, which was very uncalled for, what does videogames have to do with someone's personal belief?



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Pretty interesting since I had the same problems a decade ago.

At 16, I opened my eyes and found out I couldn't believe all this religious nonsense. I just told my parents I didn't believe these anymore and mass was just a waste of time. Of course my parents went maniac about this, and even threatened me to get me out of school. I began to refuse to go to the mass (as we did every sunday), but they kinda forced me to go at first, then I refused to participate to communion, did not sang anymore, just couldn't do anything than sit without moving. After a while, I just did not got to mass anymore and my parents kinda accepted my refusal of religion. Although, I got definitively out of my parents house for my studies, and finally my relationship with my parents got really better.

I also did something at that time, that may have helped things a lot : I went to see a local priest and told him the whole story. I don't know if it helped, or if he talked to my parents, it just helped me to talk about this to someone. Even if religions disgusts me in general, I've to say that I've met a lot of priests who were really fine, understanding persons. This may help you, to see the local priest for mediation between you and your parents.

 

Good luck, you'll need some.

 

 

 

Edit : yes Wiccan ? ^^ sorry, I had to make that joke :D :goes to bed:



Killy_Vorkosigan said:

Edit : yes Wiccan ? ^^ sorry, I had to make that joke :D :goes to bed:

Ahahhaha, nice one Haven't heard that one in a long while xD



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sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

Have faith that your parents will accept and love you no matter what.  Tell them what c.s. lewis said, Christians love c.s. lewis.

he said that when young Christians leave the faith, they are actually getting closer to God.  "Mere Christianity"

My parents are Eastern Orthodox. They don't like people of other religions, including Catholics and Protestants. They don't consider Catholics and Protestants to be real Christians, and think they worship the devil or soemthing along the lines (and I'm not kidding about this). So I doubt they care what C.S Lewis said.

That's surprising.  I thought about being an Eastern orthodox priest.  My Orthodox priest mentor didn't mention that they were closed minded about other denomination.  totally weird.

If you wanna be an Eastern Orthodox priest you should know that you can only get married before you become one. If you're already a priest you can no longer marry. And if you divorce you can't remarry.

As for the close minded thing, well you're in America. You guys probably have some washed down version of Eastern Orthodoxy over there.

I think we do have washed down version cause i was assured that I will be able to get married even after I become a priest.  it's either washed down version, or Eastern Orothodox needs more priests - therefore make it more attractive.



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Killy_Vorkosigan said:

Pretty interesting since I had the same problems a decade ago.

At 16, I opened my eyes and found out I couldn't believe all this religious nonsense. I just told my parents I didn't believe these anymore and mass was just a waste of time. Of course my parents went maniac about this, and even threatened me to get me out of school. I began to refuse to go to the mass (as we did every sunday), but they kinda forced me to go at first, then I refused to participate to communion, did not sang anymore, just couldn't do anything than sit without moving. After a while, I just did not got to mass anymore and my parents kinda accepted my refusal of religion. Although, I got definitively out of my parents house for my studies, and finally my relationship with my parents got really better.

I also did something at that time, that may have helped things a lot : I went to see a local priest and told him the whole story. I don't know if it helped, or if he talked to my parents, it just helped me to talk about this to someone. Even if religions disgusts me in general, I've to say that I've met a lot of priests who were really fine, understanding persons. This may help you, to see the local priest for mediation between you and your parents.

 

Good luck, you'll need some.

 

 

 

Edit : yes Wiccan ? ^^ sorry, I had to make that joke :D :goes to bed:

Priests aren't allowed to share what you tell them during confession. You should've had him fired for that.



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Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

Have faith that your parents will accept and love you no matter what.  Tell them what c.s. lewis said, Christians love c.s. lewis.

he said that when young Christians leave the faith, they are actually getting closer to God.  "Mere Christianity"

My parents are Eastern Orthodox. They don't like people of other religions, including Catholics and Protestants. They don't consider Catholics and Protestants to be real Christians, and think they worship the devil or soemthing along the lines (and I'm not kidding about this). So I doubt they care what C.S Lewis said.

That's surprising.  I thought about being an Eastern orthodox priest.  My Orthodox priest mentor didn't mention that they were closed minded about other denomination.  totally weird.

If you wanna be an Eastern Orthodox priest you should know that you can only get married before you become one. If you're already a priest you can no longer marry. And if you divorce you can't remarry.

As for the close minded thing, well you're in America. You guys probably have some washed down version of Eastern Orthodoxy over there.

I think we do have washed down version cause i was assured that I will be able to get married even after I become a priest.  it's either washed down version, or Eastern Orothodox needs more priests - therefore make it more attractive.

Probably. My mom wanted me to be a priest too, so I can assure you that that's how things work.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

Have faith that your parents will accept and love you no matter what.  Tell them what c.s. lewis said, Christians love c.s. lewis.

he said that when young Christians leave the faith, they are actually getting closer to God.  "Mere Christianity"

My parents are Eastern Orthodox. They don't like people of other religions, including Catholics and Protestants. They don't consider Catholics and Protestants to be real Christians, and think they worship the devil or soemthing along the lines (and I'm not kidding about this). So I doubt they care what C.S Lewis said.

That's surprising.  I thought about being an Eastern orthodox priest.  My Orthodox priest mentor didn't mention that they were closed minded about other denomination.  totally weird.

If you wanna be an Eastern Orthodox priest you should know that you can only get married before you become one. If you're already a priest you can no longer marry. And if you divorce you can't remarry.

As for the close minded thing, well you're in America. You guys probably have some washed down version of Eastern Orthodoxy over there.

I think we do have washed down version cause i was assured that I will be able to get married even after I become a priest.  it's either washed down version, or Eastern Orothodox needs more priests - therefore make it more attractive.

My understanding on this is the teaching connects to Paul's writings where he tells people to be content in their station in life.  If you are single, stay single.  If you are married, stay married.  I believe that this is a measure of a maturity, the ability to find contentment in any situation.  I believe also priests are not to remarry once their wife passes on either.  I did have a priest tell me it was akward socially to remarry due to nature of how congregational life works.  

Paul says it is not a sin to marry, so maybe there is some changes there based on where the priest is out of.



richardhutnik said:

My understanding on this is the teaching connects to Paul's writings where he tells people to be content in their station in life.  If you are single, stay single.  If you are married, stay married.  I believe that this is a measure of a maturity, the ability to find contentment in any situation.  I believe also priests are not to remarry once their wife passes on either.  I did have a priest tell me it was akward socially to remarry due to nature of how congregational life works.  

Paul says it is not a sin to marry, so maybe there is some changes there based on where the priest is out of.

Maturity? Really? Seems more like being a pushover to me.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

lestatdark said:
Teo said:
lestatdark said:
AkibaFan said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

tht must have been hard for you. hopefully they will supprt u soon

It was harder for my dad, since he was a bit torn in that time. I really don't mind if they don't support me, it's their decision. It just saddens me to personally know people who know little of what is to actually love and comprehend all for what they are, closed in dogmas that have no sense nowadays.

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.

And why do you pin Wiccans as fervent believers of some mystical and unexplained force? What we call magick can be explained as a series of practices meant to be some form of meditation, that can enhance the production of stimulants inside the body for our well being.

Incenses and herb teas have been scientifically proven to stimulate production of endorphin, serotonin and dopamine, which are very important well-being hormones.

You say that you as an atheist must question everything logically. I do that as well, since I'm a geneticists. I logically know that most of the things we believe in don't seem logical at first glance, but it's far from being so.

As for the belief in pagan gods, well, that just boils down to personal belief of something bigger than ourselves I guess.

And for your last comment, which was very uncalled for, what does videogames have to do with someone's personal belief?

What CAN BE. TO A PERSON.

So what exactaly do YOU believe if not all of the above?

What do incenses and herb teas have anything to do with the supernatural? Nothing. Everyone around the world knows and uses herbs to remedy.

If you believe in pagan gods for the personal belief of something bigger than your self, wouldn't that just make you agonistic? Which basically means you are not sure at all what to believe.

As for the last comment, it has everything to do with your personal belief. You say you changed religion, and you are in a videogame forum posting most of the time. One can only wonder how exactly you got from ridiculous point A to ridiculous point B. Don't take it so personal, there are even more ridiculous things people believe in.