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sapphi_snake said:

 

Fair enough.  Would you say then if a homosexual wants to heterosexual, gets married to a woman and starts a family, he has changed his sexual orientation?

How could he change his sexual orientation? A person like that would be just a self hating gay guy who married a woman 'cause it was what society/the media/family/religion was telling him to do and he had screwe up notion that that would make him happy. He can pretend to be straight all he wants, but it's more likely that I'll become the queen of England than he'll become straight.

Sexual orientation is determined by whom you find attractive, and whom you desire have sex with (by desire I mean the uncontrolable need to be intimate with a person sexually). You don't have sex with a woman 'cause you wanna be straight. You have sex with a woman 'cause you find her attractive and 'cause of primitive sexual instincts. 

My wife's boss is gay and he told us that if he had to live his life over, he would have chosen to get get married to a woman - someone like my wife.  Then again, he looked at me and said 'or find a man like me'    haha

Well, sounds more like a joke on his part. If he really is gay, then him marrying a woman wouldn't work. He may be just some guy that had bad experiences with men and somehow thinks that women are better (lol, yeah, at least men can't get pregnant with another guy's baby). Anyways congratulations on being a good catch

I have a challenge for you. Say to yourself tomorrow "from now on I'm gonna be gay". Then go to a gay bar, pick up a guy and see how things go. Please post here on how it all worked out. If you actually turn gay I'll eat my hat. And please note, whatever you do with the guy you have to like it('cause sexual orientation is determined by attraction and desire, it's not just a decision that you make). You can't cheat. No thinking of girls or anything like that. Good luck with that.

Good challenge, but no thanks.

You do make a good point though.  I can't be with a man - I'm very heterosexual.  I wonder how a gay man can then marry a woman and have children?  Or a man who have lived a heterosexual life and then comes out of the closet? 

And why is it that when a heterosexual comes out of the closet, then he is being true to his homosexual orientation, but same rule does not apply when a homosexual becomes heterosexual?



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Mr Khan said:

While it was a victory for GLBT folks to get their status classified as biological, but then that does raise a host of problems. I doubt they'd like being called mutants (which strictly technically would be true), anymore than they liked the insistence that their lifestyle was a choice (which still persists itself in some sectors).

 

Raises interesting ethical questions, as to whether it would be right to "cure" homosexuality. Also raises the intersting idea of whether we could genetically engineer race, which would also lead to a whole host of fun political/philosophical dilemmas.


It is interesting.

I mean... on the one hand, it feels wrong to "cure" someone of homosexuality.

On the otherhand.  It would probably only be beneficial.

Even taking bigotry out of the equation, your dating pool is like a tenth of the size of heterosexual couples.

 

I think I have an off the wall solution.  Instead of turning the gene off... turn it on.   There won't be anymore teen pregnancies or unwanted pregnancies, people will only have children when they want them.

 

Ethically though, I don't really see a problem with genetic engineering... at least not the "new kind" WIth gene therapy and all that.

It just gets a bad rap because of Eugenics and all that.

Genetic Engineering to cure disesases and potential obesity and heart problems is really nothing different then vacinations.  They're just vacinations before you are born.

EDIT: Oh misread you, you meant a persons race.  That'd probably be waaaay to complicated.  Race is more the skincolor afterall... facial bones a different and a host of other minor things.   I mean think about it... a White person in blackface doesn't look Black.   Neither would a black person look asian if the skin colour was changed.



highwaystar101 said:
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SciFiBoy2.0 said:
highwaystar101 said:

*Sigh* It's not about being gay, it's about preventative treatment. Dr New wants to create this drug so that children don't have to be afflicted with some of the complicastions that come from congenital adrenal hyperplasia.

I don't think it's about "curing" lesbianism at all, it's about reducing a side effect from the condition. It wont make them 100% heterosexual.

I know the advent of "engineering" humans is scary, but we already tamper with life to this extent with things like hormone replacement therapy.

Whilst I support their campaign for equal rights and support their plight, I feel that sometimes LGBT groups can go a little overboard without fully understanding the situation (mind you, that could be said of any campaign group really (sorry if I have offended anyone)).

so, its just removing a potentionaly harmful thing then? and the link to orientation is an unfortunate coincidence?

I dont really know enough about this tbh, but that seems to be what youre saying yes?

No, it's not an unfortunate coincidence, it's a symptom of the condition. A child born with congenital adrenal hyperplasia will likely be a lesbian, but given this treatment their orientation potential will return to be more "normal" (towards that of the general population).

It is removing a harmful thing, but the harmful things includes a much higher tendency towards becoming homosexual.

Your last statement really kills your entire post...

Why? Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being.

Basically the homosexuality in CAH isn't really natural, it's a symptom of the condition, and therefore different from regular homosexuality. It's not the same.

Homosexuality SHOULDN'T be harmful at all.

But I'd think you'd be hard pressed to find more then a few Homosexuals who can say they wouldn't of avoided harmful and hurtful situations if they were straight.

Even if you do get past that... there are some health issues.

For example, Gay men are I'd assume much more likely to take part in anal sex then straight men... esepiecally receiving.  Anal sex is riskier when it comes to passing on diseases and such... receptive Anal sex much more so.

Additionally you do have the aforementioned smaller dating pool... which in of itself is likely quite troublesome.


For what it's worth though, I do get your greater point though.   For people who don't get it... it's basically the same if people who were born with Asthma were always gay, but not all gay people had Asthma.

Considering the negative effects... as in soley the Astma effects... it makes sense to get rid of the Astma and as such, also the gayness.



Coca-Cola said:

Good challenge, but no thanks.

You do make a good point though.  I can't be with a man - I'm very heterosexual.  I wonder how a gay man can then marry a woman and have children?  Or a man who have lived a heterosexual life and then comes out of the closet? 

 

Ha! I knew you couldn't do it.

I wonder how a gay man can then marry a woman and have children?

Society's pressure. Most of them think of guys when having sex with their wives. Lots of them even find ways to avoid having sex with their wives.

Or a man who have lived a heterosexual life and then comes out of the closet?

Simple: he's gay. Why shouldn't he come out? He never liked women in the first place.

And why is it that when a heterosexual comes out of the closet, then he is being true to his homosexual orientation, but same rule does not apply when a homosexual becomes heterosexual?

Heterosexuals do not come out as gay. Gay people come out as gay. The person who you though was straight that comes out as gay was never straight in the first place. He pretended to be straight due to society's pressure. Thegay guys who you say "become heterosexual" do so because f society's pressure. They're self loathing individuals. Staright people don't pretend to be gay 'cause society doesn't push them to do that. Now of course there may be some gay people who later discover that they're bi, or may eve nrealise that they made a mistake when they thought they were gay, but that's another subject.



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Kasz216 said:

Homosexuality SHOULDN'T be harmful at all.

But I'd think you'd be hard pressed to find more then a few Homosexuals who can say they wouldn't of avoided harmful and hurtful situations if they were straight.

Even if you do get past that... there are some health issues.

For example, Gay men are I'd assume much more likely to take part in anal sex then straight men... esepiecally receiving.  Anal sex is riskier when it comes to passing on diseases and such... receptive Anal sex much more so.

Additionally you do have the aforementioned smaller dating pool... which in of itself is likely quite troublesome.

I could give you similar examples for why it's better to be a man rather than a woman.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:

 

Fair enough.  Would you say then if a homosexual wants to heterosexual, gets married to a woman and starts a family, he has changed his sexual orientation?

How could he change his sexual orientation? A person like that would be just a self hating gay guy who married a woman 'cause it was what society/the media/family/religion was telling him to do and he had screwe up notion that that would make him happy. He can pretend to be straight all he wants, but it's more likely that I'll become the queen of England than he'll become straight.

Sexual orientation is determined by whom you find attractive, and whom you desire have sex with (by desire I mean the uncontrolable need to be intimate with a person sexually). You don't have sex with a woman 'cause you wanna be straight. You have sex with a woman 'cause you find her attractive and 'cause of primitive sexual instincts. 

My wife's boss is gay and he told us that if he had to live his life over, he would have chosen to get get married to a woman - someone like my wife.  Then again, he looked at me and said 'or find a man like me'    haha

Well, sounds more like a joke on his part. If he really is gay, then him marrying a woman wouldn't work. He may be just some guy that had bad experiences with men and somehow thinks that women are better (lol, yeah, at least men can't get pregnant with another guy's baby). Anyways congratulations on being a good catch

I have a challenge for you. Say to yourself tomorrow "from now on I'm gonna be gay". Then go to a gay bar, pick up a guy and see how things go. Please post here on how it all worked out. If you actually turn gay I'll eat my hat. And please note, whatever you do with the guy you have to like it('cause sexual orientation is determined by attraction and desire, it's not just a decision that you make). You can't cheat. No thinking of girls or anything like that. Good luck with that.

Good challenge, but no thanks.

You do make a good point though.  I can't be with a man - I'm very heterosexual.  I wonder how a gay man can then marry a woman and have children?  Or a man who have lived a heterosexual life and then comes out of the closet? 

And why is it that when a heterosexual comes out of the closet, then he is being true to his homosexual orientation, but same rule does not apply when a homosexual becomes heterosexual?

There is no reason to pretend be a homosexual.

A lot of homosexual people however at least until they fully accept it... would rather be hetersexual.

I mean why wouldn't you want to be?  It's the choice between having 10 times the choices... or not having full rights, being hated, often feeling ashamed and possibly harrassed.



sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Homosexuality SHOULDN'T be harmful at all.

But I'd think you'd be hard pressed to find more then a few Homosexuals who can say they wouldn't of avoided harmful and hurtful situations if they were straight.

Even if you do get past that... there are some health issues.

For example, Gay men are I'd assume much more likely to take part in anal sex then straight men... esepiecally receiving.  Anal sex is riskier when it comes to passing on diseases and such... receptive Anal sex much more so.

Additionally you do have the aforementioned smaller dating pool... which in of itself is likely quite troublesome.

I could give you similar examples for why it's better to be a man rather than a woman.

I agree.  In todays society it's better to be a man then a woman.  I'm glad i'm not a woman.  I don't have to worry about things like being raped or not taking seriously at my job.... etc.

Of course if we gentically engineered everybody to be men we'd be in a bit of a pickle though.

If you mean the health reasons.  I'm actually fairly certain it's better to be a woman then a man.  Though it's inconclusive since life expectancy is off since men are more likely to die "unaturally" young.  Gunshots etc.


We'd probaby want to genetically transform everybody into gay lesbians honestly... well once we figure out test tube babies.



Kasz216 said:

I agree.  In todays society it's better to be a man then a woman.

Of course if we gentically engineered everybody to be men we'd be in a bit of a pickle though.

If you mean the health reasons.  I'm actually fairly certain it's better to be a woman then a man.  Though it's inconclusive since life expectancy is off since men are more likely to die "unaturally" young.  Gunshots etc.


We'd probaby want to genetically transform everybody into gay lesbians honestly... well once we figure out test tube babies.

I was reffering to how society treats women. It's the same situation for gays. Most of the challenges that gays face come from society.

As for the health reasons. You're right about women. However gays can avaid STDs and all that. Promiscuous behavior causes STDs, not being gay. FTR, I believe lesbians are less liely to get STDs than both gay men and straight men/women.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

I agree.  In todays society it's better to be a man then a woman.

Of course if we gentically engineered everybody to be men we'd be in a bit of a pickle though.

If you mean the health reasons.  I'm actually fairly certain it's better to be a woman then a man.  Though it's inconclusive since life expectancy is off since men are more likely to die "unaturally" young.  Gunshots etc.


We'd probaby want to genetically transform everybody into gay lesbians honestly... well once we figure out test tube babies.

I was reffering to how society treats women. It's the same situation for gays. Most of the challenges that gays face come from society.

As for the health reasons. You're right about women. However gays can avaid STDs and all that. Promiscuous behavior causes STDs, not being gay. FTR, I believe lesbians are less liely to get STDs than both gay men and straight men/women.

I think that's likely about Lesbian women but i'm unsure.  Never was covered at Aids day training way back when.  Another reason for everyone to be Lesbian women in the future.

Regardless of being society based... said challenges do in fact exist.  From an impassionate logical view it's hard to argue people wouldn't be better off born straight or male.

Though like I said, changing the sexes would be problematic due to birth issues... though it would help in some areas.

For example there are articles that suggest  there are a shortage of eligable Black Men in America due to societal problems. 

100 single black women for every 70 single black men... what makes this number worse?  Black men are 2-4 times more likely to go interracial then black women. 



Kasz216 said:

I think that's likely about Lesbian women but i'm unsure.  Never was covered at Aids day training way back when.  Another reason for everyone to be Lesbian women in the future.

Regardless of being society based... said challenges do in fact exist.  From an impassionate logical view it's hard to argue people wouldn't be better off born straight or male.

Though like I said, changing the sexes would be problematic due to birth issues... though it would help in some areas.

For example there are articles that suggest  there are a shortage of eligable Black Men in America due to societal problems. 

100 single black women for every 70 single black men... what makes this number worse?  Black men are 2-4 times more likely to go interracial then black women. 

Dude, simple. Poligamy!



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)