I think it is obvious to even the most die-hard xbox fan that the majority of the 'slim' sales are current users upgrading their consoles as there has been little to no change in software sales which is expected when a lot of new users join a console group, unless none of them are buying games to play on said console? lol

Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

This week 200k 360's were sold. 1.1m software was sold. Is it not possible that a lot of those 200k new 360 owners make up for the 1.1m games sold?......

Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

This week 200k 360's were sold. 1.1m software was sold. Is it not possible that a lot of those 200k new 360 owners make up for the 1.1m games sold?......

obviously he was talking about the opening weeks.

also stop trieng to argue that slim sales arent people upgrading. nonetheless impressive sales.

A lot of people will have upgraded, a lot of people will be new time buyers. Just because there has not been a huge software sales spike does not mean it is only people upgrading. It isn't arguing it is called common sense. You don't get a game with the new console unless you buy one of the bundled versions. So basically your logic is to say people will pay £200 for the console then £40 for a game to go along with it which in turn means software increase right?

As i said what is to say those people who bought a new console have not bought a new game? There is no evidence to suggest that they have't just your opinion. I haven't bought a 360 game since Alan Wake. I am sure there are loads of 360 owners who have not bought a new game for awhile. When the 360 exclusives launch i.e Halo,Fable and Gears then no doubt 360 software sales will pick up. Bust just because they are around what they were prior to the slims release does not mean only current 360 owners are upgrading. That is just bollocks.

so all new 360 owners will live with one game. even though in the past 5 months great games came out. so they are going to wait for halo reach and fable 3, instead of going and picking up splinter cell, mass effect, read dead redemption. hell if they just bought a 360 they would have gotten gears 3, fable 2, halo 3 odst.

so you think that 700% increase was to new owners because it was shiny, had no rrod and had integrated wifi, which the ps3 already has.

did i ever say it is only people upgrading?

Of course a lot of that 700% would be people upgrading. I will be upgrading myself eventually to the halo bundle.

The point is to make a statement like "most of those will be upgraders as there is no software boost" is wrong.

Again just to use what that other guy said above about the PS3 being ahead in software. He is 100% right. However if we look at this weeks numbers we see the only reason PS3 is ahead is due to the release of a game in Japan. In the following weeks PS3 will probably fall behind 360 again what with Halo coming out. When we see those software totals of like 4m for the 360 will that then mean everyone who bought a new console that week were new 360 owners? Of course not. It will be because of Halo being released. It is hard to say what effect on software consoles sales should have. For example prior to the new model the arcade was the biggest selling 360 sku. A pretty bog standard bundle with no games, no HD etc.. But people bought it in droves. If those people wanted to buy a game with it why did they not just pay that bit extra to get the premium console with a game bundle? The overall point i am trying to make is that while a lot of people will be upgraders, a lot will also be new owners. And a lot of those new owners will not be so clued up on games, they will buy them eventually. What is to say the combined sales from say MW2 and RDR this week are not new console owners?

That's misleading.

1. its for launch week

2. it does not prove pent up demand as the greater majority of those are people replacing existing 360s. I'd like to see the yoy increase in unique xbl accounts as compared to sales. I bet its far smaller.

Source?