tell me sm128 did you ask vette to push me?

You seem to be using my conversation with vette as key evidence against me.

Yet you were rather keen on voting for hatmoza without explanation, weren't you?

You single out a person and vote for them out of semantics and don't give an explanation and are surprised to see votes.

Honestly, it seems you were angry your were being suspected and decided to vote for someone for some pretty bad reasons.

I believe hatmoza and theprof are scum as well, but unfortunately it looks like you re going to get lynched soon so I think you should role claim,  it may be the only thing that saves you from a lynch

Did you not read any of my posts before or after my vote? -_-

Oh yes. A mafia guy framing another mafia guy to be guilty. Doesn't make a lot of sense does it. Why not just frame someone else. Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds? Do realize how full of shit that idea is?

I haven't changed my position much.  I've shared many of my doubts about hatmoza already, and I don't like the latest occurence in that saga either: the idea that the mod would reveal the name of the role-blocker requires me to believe that GodOfWar_3ever is giving away information that he really shouldn't, and from the sounds of it the only reason is to write some erotic fan-fic for his own entertainment.  That idea doesn't sit well with me:  I can't see any mod running a game that irresponsibly, and if he is, let me register my objections right now.

However, there is still the chance that I'm wrong, in which case we would forfeit the two-man swing that converting hephaestos would bring us.  The problem is that keeping hephaestos alive is the easiest route I see to prove or disprove that story:  if hephaestos dies, and hatmoza's not the psychiatrist, he pretty much has a free shot to the end of the game.  I want hatmoza's story to check out, and there's enough there to make it plausible, but so many things just don't add up in my head.

So I've been trying to see if we can find the role-blocker.  Hatmoza's come back to silver-tiger, so last night I started there.  My second read of his posts from yesterday confirmed that Prof's line of questioning was a total wash:  prof was pretty much putting words in the guy's mouth, so that went nowhere.  Hatmoza's suspicions seem to be based primarily on silver's first-day doubts and suspicions.  It's true that silver's posts that day tend to be pretty conservative, like he's leaving himself an out, and at times the theories are a bit convuluted (sic).  But I chalk that up to inexperience more than anything:  from last game, it seems like silver doesn't usually get his feet wet too often in these games, so I'm not too surprised that he's hesitant and uncertain about himself when he tried it this game.  I would like to repeat though that I'm glad he (and you) are both putting more energy into this game than the last, though.

To summarize the above:  I don't really see much wrong with silver right now, which is why I asked if hatmoza had something more concrete.  He doesn't, but I don't hold that against him:  I freely admit that I was pretty sure about Khuutra early on, but that it was more hunch than anything:  what little evidence I produced sounded weak even to my ears.   That said, I mean it when I say that if there is something credible against silver-tiger, I would be willing to vote against him.

The next obvious suspect is supermario128.  As theRepublic chronicled, ir looks like he's pretty much role-claimed, although he hasn't name claimed.  I actually want to nail him down to a position first though:  I'm beginning to think that interrogations in this game should be approached like depositions, in that you lock down the person's story, and then see if you can find any holes in it.  Letting people stay cryptic and vague leaves way too many outs for that approach to be effective.  So when he shows, I'd like to have him cut the crypticism and answer our questions.  And yes, I intend to seek a name-and-role claim from him, because the arguments against it ring really hollow.

There are others I'm looking at too, of course, but the only one I'd like to mention is nen.  I'd like theRepublic to tell us what made him close his remarks last night with what he did:  last game he ID'd three of us scum early on, so I respect his instincts.  Also,  I found a few minor things odd about nen myself, although I have to wonder if they're prompted by sour grapes about his vote against me this game.  I don't think there are, but I'm not above questioning my own objectivity.  That said, I think we should focus on talking to mario first, before moving on to others.

Finally, it's gotten really hard to tell who's lurking in this game and who isn't, because someone who posts three or four times a day is definitely going to get lost in the shuffle...

He also stated that he thought there was a role-blocker on both sides.

If patapon had a sibling, he would have died last night: that's how siblings work (if one dies, the other(s) die the next night).

A guy in the last game gave up his own godfather to look like a townie

When you say "possible" here, do you still mean "100%" sure?

Exactly. Theprof is almost certainly scum imo. He has been acting crazy and then saying I am the crazy one.

This is a completely different story vette. Wow are you blind.

A framer doesn't have to frame someone that is already guilty.