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mhsillen on 16 August 2010
superchunk said:
mhsillen said:
 


Sometimes it ends up where some people think its all about how tolerant they are.  They sit so high up in the nest of tolerance looking down at all the unwashed that they do not see how a situation might be a little more complicated.

Why don't you try looking at it from the side of the people who might be appalled by this. 

Yes they have the legal right no doubt and if I had the power I wouldn't stop them but I would try to persuade them not to.

Because the entire argument is freakin stupid. Its at least four football fields away from 'ground zero'. Its not even that close to the damn site. Its just a completely retarded argument that is created from hate and misconceptions about reality.

Plus, it doesn't' matter where it was being built, there are those in this nation who will protest it out of their stupid racists views on Muslims and the fodder they've been taught from idiots at Fox news (I use that term very liberally).

You have continually mentioned things like 'real Christians' etc in defense of other horrible actions in Jesus' name, yet, these 19 people somehow idolize all of Islam for you and therefor every Mosque is a terrorist training center. Its just stupid and should be beneath us as a nation.

Did you know there are two other Mosques near ground zero? Should those be torn down because they are too close? Closest one is 5 blocks away. Is that far enough, should the new center/mosque be moved an additional 3 blocks? Does it really make a difference? Its an incredibly stupid argument you're trying to make.

If it was proposed as part of the new buildings actually on the ground zero site, I could understand the backlash, but its not even within eyesight of the area. Just stupid.

You just made my point

You will not try to understand

alot of people are appalled by this for a reason.

The Imam is a shady character who refuses to distance himself terrorist organisations.

He is getting as close to the site as he can for the purpose of provocation, because this does not promote any kind middle ground. Your saying it is stupid shows that you think you have the superior position but it weakens your argument

 

 

But this is a provocation 



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Killiana1a on 16 August 2010


mhsillen on 16 August 2010

Do some research on this Imam

He is shady he does not distance himself from terrorist organizations

we know not all are terrorists but why this Imam and why that location 

considering  he is trying to promote understanding he is putting the Mosque in an "in your face NYC" location



Coca-Cola on 16 August 2010
Killiana1a said:
numonex said:
Slimebeast said:
Killiana1a said:

@ Commentators who have quoted me,

I apologize for having a difference of opinion. I understand exactly where you are coming from. If this Muslim Mosque is built it symbolizes the greatest of American values in tolerance, freedom of religion, and forgiveness of past transgressions. Admirable, but naive when there are those of the Muslim faith who have proclaimed war with the West and have taken actions going back from the first WTC bombings in 1993, 9/11, the 2004 Madrid train bombing,Beslan, the thwarted British subway bombing, Darfur, Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines, and on.

This will also be viewed by militant Islamic extremists as capitulation and victory on their part. Imagine if after the Oklahoma City Bombing allowed a white racist church to be built a few blocks from the site? No one would support it because of what it symbolizes.

I agree that the symbolic victory for radical muslims is a bit of a problem but your analogy is flawed since a white racist church (whatever that is lol) would be much more extremist and provocative than just a regular mosque.

The Muslims need to be accepted and welcomed into American society. By alienating and scapegoating Muslims gives them more reason to revert to carrying out terrorist activities.

There are Muslims and there are Muslims. Not all Muslims are extremists/terrorists. 

**WARNING Some may find this offensive**

As Carlos Mencia said it starting @ 3:10:

Haha, the jokes about Asians were funny.  we do have little dicks.

I know there are Muslims and Muslims who are terrorists.  My question is, how many % of Muslims are terrorists?  10%?   That's a lot of terrorists.



superchunk on 16 August 2010
mhsillen said:

Do some research on this Imam

He is shady he does not distance himself from terrorist organizations

we know not all are terrorists but why this Imam and why that location 

considering  he is trying to promote understanding he is putting the Mosque in an "in your face NYC" location


I did read about him and I don't know what you think is shady? Links?



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superchunk on 16 August 2010
mhsillen said:
 

You just made my point

You will not try to understand

alot of people are appalled by this for a reason.

The Imam is a shady character who refuses to distance himself terrorist organisations.

He is getting as close to the site as he can for the purpose of provocation, because this does not promote any kind middle ground. Your saying it is stupid shows that you think you have the superior position but it weakens your argument

 

 

But this is a provocation 

No, a lot of people are appalled by this due to false assertions that it is on ground zero. Its not. Its 2 blocks way and can't even be seen by the ground zero site.

I bet if the poll above included a picture and real distance it would be starkly different. Not to mention that there are already two other mosques that are not much further away. Its just a pointless arguement that has been created solely due to the media using the right wording.



mhsillen on 16 August 2010

http://www.haaretz.com/news/eu-obama-settlement-construction-could-threaten-peace-progress-1.3918

I guess President Obama doesn't mind telling others to mind the sensitivities of one group toward another

He just forgot about the sensitivities of 70% of the  US people



superchunk on 16 August 2010
mhsillen said:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/eu-obama-settlement-construction-could-threaten-peace-progress-1.3918

I guess President Obama doesn't mind telling others to mind the sensitivities of one group toward another

He just forgot about the sensitivities of 70% of the  US people

I don't see how his stance on the illegal settler expansion and its negative effect on the peace process in Israel/Palestine is any different than his stance on upholding US laws and important Amercian values.

Seems to me he's for upholding the law and protecting the rights of people.



mhsillen on 16 August 2010
superchunk said:
mhsillen said:

Do some research on this Imam

He is shady he does not distance himself from terrorist organizations

we know not all are terrorists but why this Imam and why that location 

considering  he is trying to promote understanding he is putting the Mosque in an "in your face NYC" location


I did read about him and I don't know what you think is shady? Links?


Read about his feelings on Hamas

Read about his feelings about 911

Look it up

Those towers falling changed me a little I used to think less critically about people

But now I know in most everything there is a hidden agenda 

Building it there is not about togetherness or peace and understanding

But it is all about what it is in it for them



superchunk on 16 August 2010
mhsillen said:
superchunk said:
mhsillen said:

Do some research on this Imam

He is shady he does not distance himself from terrorist organizations

we know not all are terrorists but why this Imam and why that location 

considering  he is trying to promote understanding he is putting the Mosque in an "in your face NYC" location


I did read about him and I don't know what you think is shady? Links?


Read about his feelings on Hamas

Read about his feelings about 911

Look it up

Those towers falling changed me a little I used to think less critically about people

But now I know in most everything there is a hidden agenda 

Building it there is not about togetherness or peace and understanding

But it is all about what it is in it for them

So you have no links?