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A203D said:
tuscaniman said:
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TheNoobHolocaust said:

Musts: $50 Price Cut and bring 160-320gb models(including White 160gb model) to America and Others

Not needed but would help: announce Resistance 3 and ICO and SOTC HD, Splinter Cell Trilogy HD, Prince of Persia Trilogy HD

Announcements don't sell consoles. Resistance 3 being the 3rd game in the series won't sell consoles. Ico and SOTC were niche games on PS2, they'll be niche on PS3. Dunno anything about Splinter Cell trilogy, but by the looks of the SC games already on PS3 it probably wouldn't do much for HW sales. PoP seems like a franchise past its time.

Sony doesn't need to do anything right now, given 360 is enjoying a pre-holiday boost from its clearance sale and new sku. And it would seem that Wii is suffering more from 360's high sales than PS3. 360 will ride that wave into the Spet/Oct period when sales start climbing naturally (360 will more or less stay at it's end of Aug sales level) and both Wii and PS3 will reel it back in as their sales also start to rise to meet and in the case of Wii at least, over take it. Reach will have a 2 week boost affect at most, and it won't be huge like the 360s launch. It'll come down to whether Kinect moves HW or whether it mostly sells to existing 360 owners. Once Sony knows what effect Kinect has on 360 sales it can then decide what it needs to do to keep get back to growing it's market share.

 

Makes sense.

yeah i think your right, no need for a price cut at the moment. even if 360 outsells PS3 this year, it wont be a fatal blow. personally i think move needs to be cheaper to encourage on the fence potential buyers. the big thing that could change the game completely is if exclusive IPs like Mass Effect were to come over to the PS3. the reason i say ME because microsoft sold EA the distribution rights and EA arent interested in exclusives, not to mention the game hasnt been a system seller on the 360. other than that, EPIC did also mention they regret having an exclusive contract with microsoft for Gears... so i think that if Portal 2 proves to be a success on PS3, we could be in for some supprises next year!!!

So you are saying Mass Effect would be a PS3 seller but not a 360 seller? And Epic regrets selling 10 million copies of the Gears of War series? If thats the case then every single dev regrets being exclusive on the PS3 since Gears has sold more than any exclusive ip on the PS3. Try using some logic before typing.

it appears 'logic' dosent appear in the 360 fanboy vocabulary. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=232359

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/epic-it’s-getting-harder-to-remain-independent

theres probabily more stuff out there. and i'm sure edge reported at one point that epic publically stated they couldve addressed a much larger market with gears had they have not signed the contract with microsoft. but i cant be bothered doing the leg work for you!!

and yeah i am saying that Mass Effect on PS3 would be a huge come back, because RPGs sell on the console. by launching Mass Effect on the PS3, sony give bioware a massive oppertunity to market in Japan, something microsoft cannot do. not to mention the western sales of FF13 and other RPGs tend to be more successful on PS3 than 360. Mass Effect 1&2 have sold a lot less in the EU than in the US, so i think theres also an oppertunity there for the PS3 to make a come back with a strong IP, that hasnt enjoyed as much success as in the US with the 360.

thats right, games sales outside of the US are also important!... "try using some logic before you type"

PS. popularity is also very important, not just sales. Gabe Newell of Valve announcing Portal 2 for the PS3 was a huge hit for E3 and the fans. even though that might not become the next 10mil seller, its still a comeback for the console.


Sorry but Mass Effect isn't a JRPG with prepubescent characters running around with magic powers trying to save the world. A WRPG is not going to sell in Japan even if it was on the PS3.

I'm going to use some reverse logic on you since you like it so much. If Killzone released on the 360 it would have sold twice as much since the US is the biggest market for FPSs and the 360 has a much larger user base than the PS3. Guerilla Games would have been much more successful going the 360 route.

And now you are quoting Pachter with your links? Pachter thinks that Epic games "regrets" 360 exclusivity. There is not one single word from anyone that works with Epic studios quoting this. Once again your logic fails.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/12/02/cliffyb-no-gears-of-war-on-ps3/

There is a link for you to read. If they really "regretted" it then they could just port Gears 3 over to the PS3 if they wanted since technically MS doesn't own the rights to Gears 3. Looks like Epic is perfectly fine with outselling any PS3 exclusive.

Like i said already popularity is also very important, not just sales. Gabe Newell of Valve announcing Portal 2 for the PS3 was a huge hit for E3 and the fans. even though that might not become the next 10mil seller, its still a comeback for the console. or when Square Enix announced FF13 going to the 360, even though it hasnt sold more than 1.5mil , its been a huge boon for the console.

again, like i've already said (yawn) the US isnt the only gaming market. something like ME could enjoy considerable success in the EU or JP where it hasnt sold as much as in the US on the 360. not to mention i think gears and ME could be massive come back for the console, in the same way FF13 was a huge bomeshell at E3 when it was announced to be multiplatform.

so i dont understand why your talking about the sales of Killzone 3!? like i've already said Mass Effect and Gears would be a huge come back for PS3. i never said that they would sell like 10m copies or launch PS3 console sales into the stratosphere. i understand that perphaps it was far too complex to understand.

and about Epic, i dont work for them, i dont care what they do etc. but we'll see what they do with there next game. just to break that down, i think that a game released multiplatform will sell more than if that same game was released exclusively. a lot of developers are opting for multiplatform development now, i wouldnt be supprised if epic choose to do the same with there next game.


Well since you keep repeating the same thing over and over I've realized you have no idea what you are talking about. And the game Epic is working on is Bulletstorm and its going multiplat. Chances of it selling more than Gears are slim but we'll see.

The reason I brought up Killzone is the EXACT SAME REASON you have been talking nonstop about ME and Gears, except my comment actually makes sense. You do realize the 360 and PS3 are pretty much neck and neck in EU right? How will releasing ME on the PS3 win over gamers for the PS3 and sell more copies there?

Lastly Mass Effect and Gears going to the PS3 would exactly sell 0 consoles. There aren't any potential customers sitting on their hands waiting for those franchises to go to PS3 before buying one. If they want Gears and ME that badly they would have purchased a 360 already.



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kowhoho said:
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The_God_of_War said:

Move in September, 160/320 price cuts in October, GT5 in November shall keep the momentum going nicely.


Good post, agree completely.  Sony is just going to have to realize that MS bringing the 360slim out is stepping up their game, and if Sony doesn't do something to counter-act that, then the P3 will become unprofitable within a year or so as developer support moves to the 360.  I think that a $50 price cut is waranted and will serve the PS3 well.  Remember this is a long-term thing, not a sprint.  Sony still has the opportunity to make profit from the PS3 but they need to ensure that they will be in a position to even do that.

haha, umm no. Sony will not become unprofitable now that they have reached profitablility unless they drop the current sku's to $200, which they will not do.

And No, they will not loose developer support at this point. E3 proved that Sony is actually going after more 3rd party exclusive deals than Microsoft.... is this a joke?

Look,  in order for profitability to be maintained, Sony is going to have to keep up a certain level of new games coming out and that requires a certain level of dev support.  Now if the 360 eclipsed the Ps3's sales for say a year or so, then this would be thought of as a more permanent thing, and you'd see a massive drop off in new games for the PS3 as developers would just prefer to use the 360/wii.             

So, in other words they have profitability now, but that is no guarantee for the future and it becomes increasingly doubtful if Sony can't get the numbers above a certain level eventually. 

 

So, keep in mind that I basically said that dev support would be lost if this happens for an extended period of time, and mentioned a year in so doing.    No joke post, but it sounds like you didnt understand.

The PS3 has been outselling the X360 consistently almost all year and now there's a price cut/remodel which gives the 360 a BOOST (read: BOOST) which still hasn't leveled off. Sony also hasn't done anything to counter it yet. What makes you so sure that the events of a few weeks in a bloody 10 year life cycle will somehow change everything?

I didnt say that a few weeks would change anything.  I said that an *unchecked* and consistent difference in the 360's favor would make the PS3's profits start to level off and decline in a year or so.  



Leave.  That's the only way the PS3 can comeback.  It has to leave.  I don't see that happening, though.  Maybe if they lose E3.  I mean, in the past few years, whoever loses E3 has huge sales.  Sony needs to copy Nintendo and Microsofts strategy of "losing" at E3.



Hmm..Comeback from where, really..It had moved from third place to second place for half year.

I think what it would need now would be that GT5. There ain't no more any other big HW booster that I can think of..Ofc if Gears of war 3 or such would be released on Ps3 as well, it would bring HW boost.

Move and Kinect -  we will soon see how it effects.



 

 

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tuscaniman said:

Well since you keep repeating the same thing over and over I've realized you have no idea what you are talking about. And the game Epic is working on is Bulletstorm and its going multiplat. Chances of it selling more than Gears are slim but we'll see.

The reason I brought up Killzone is the EXACT SAME REASON you have been talking nonstop about ME and Gears, except my comment actually makes sense. You do realize the 360 and PS3 are pretty much neck and neck in EU right? How will releasing ME on the PS3 win over gamers for the PS3 and sell more copies there?

Lastly Mass Effect and Gears going to the PS3 would exactly sell 0 consoles. There aren't any potential customers sitting on their hands waiting for those franchises to go to PS3 before buying one. If they want Gears and ME that badly they would have purchased a 360 already.

For the same reason releasing Final Fantasy 13 on the 360, Portal 2 on the PS3, Bioshock on the PS3, Grand Theft 4 on the 360, or Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3, has been a success (Portal 2 pending). i'm not saying that all of these titles have become system sellers, but like i've said, something like ME or Gears would be a massive come back for the PS3. even though they might not sell consoles, they do develop the library of the console and improve its reputation with gamers. like i've said already, populatiy is also important. eg Gabe Newell of Valve supporting PS3 at E3, it was a hit with gamers!

i'm not saying there are any potential buyers waiting patiently for GoW or ME to go multiplatform. i'm not saying that PS3 sales will smash into the stratosphere if they did. but i do think there is a potential for those games to become popular on the console, and sell many copies, even if they dont sell consoles. although, i'm not ruling out the possibilty that they could sell consoles. just like any good game bundled with a console can make a difference.



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A203D said:
tuscaniman said:

Well since you keep repeating the same thing over and over I've realized you have no idea what you are talking about. And the game Epic is working on is Bulletstorm and its going multiplat. Chances of it selling more than Gears are slim but we'll see.

The reason I brought up Killzone is the EXACT SAME REASON you have been talking nonstop about ME and Gears, except my comment actually makes sense. You do realize the 360 and PS3 are pretty much neck and neck in EU right? How will releasing ME on the PS3 win over gamers for the PS3 and sell more copies there?

Lastly Mass Effect and Gears going to the PS3 would exactly sell 0 consoles. There aren't any potential customers sitting on their hands waiting for those franchises to go to PS3 before buying one. If they want Gears and ME that badly they would have purchased a 360 already.

For the same reason releasing Final Fantasy 13 on the 360, Portal 2 on the PS3, Bioshock on the PS3, Grand Theft 4 on the 360, or Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3, has been a success (Portal 2 pending). i'm not saying that all of these titles have become system sellers, but like i've said, something like ME or Gears would be a massive come back for the PS3. even though they might not sell consoles, they do develop the library of the console and improve its reputation with gamers. like i've said already, populatiy is also important. eg Gabe Newell of Valve supporting PS3 at E3, it was a hit with gamers!

i'm not saying there are any potential buyers waiting patiently for GoW or ME to go multiplatform. i'm not saying that PS3 sales will smash into the stratosphere if they did. but i do think there is a potential for those games to become popular on the console, and sell many copies, even if they dont sell consoles. although, i'm not ruling out the possibilty that they could sell consoles. just like any good game bundled with a console can make a difference.

Either way it doesn't matter. Mass Effect may come to the PS3. Gears of war will NEVER come to the PS3. Get that out of your head and every other Sony fan can forget about it.



tuscaniman said:
A203D said:
tuscaniman said:

Well since you keep repeating the same thing over and over I've realized you have no idea what you are talking about. And the game Epic is working on is Bulletstorm and its going multiplat. Chances of it selling more than Gears are slim but we'll see.

The reason I brought up Killzone is the EXACT SAME REASON you have been talking nonstop about ME and Gears, except my comment actually makes sense. You do realize the 360 and PS3 are pretty much neck and neck in EU right? How will releasing ME on the PS3 win over gamers for the PS3 and sell more copies there?

Lastly Mass Effect and Gears going to the PS3 would exactly sell 0 consoles. There aren't any potential customers sitting on their hands waiting for those franchises to go to PS3 before buying one. If they want Gears and ME that badly they would have purchased a 360 already.

For the same reason releasing Final Fantasy 13 on the 360, Portal 2 on the PS3, Bioshock on the PS3, Grand Theft 4 on the 360, or Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3, has been a success (Portal 2 pending). i'm not saying that all of these titles have become system sellers, but like i've said, something like ME or Gears would be a massive come back for the PS3. even though they might not sell consoles, they do develop the library of the console and improve its reputation with gamers. like i've said already, populatiy is also important. eg Gabe Newell of Valve supporting PS3 at E3, it was a hit with gamers!

i'm not saying there are any potential buyers waiting patiently for GoW or ME to go multiplatform. i'm not saying that PS3 sales will smash into the stratosphere if they did. but i do think there is a potential for those games to become popular on the console, and sell many copies, even if they dont sell consoles. although, i'm not ruling out the possibilty that they could sell consoles. just like any good game bundled with a console can make a difference.

Either way it doesn't matter. Mass Effect may come to the PS3. Gears of war will NEVER come to the PS3. Get that out of your head and every other Sony fan can forget about it.

Fair enough, looks like Mass Effect for PS3 is about to be annouced, it wouldnt supprise me. and it is EA of course. who cares, both consoles have a great set of exclusives, and imo far superior to the shite shovel ware on the wii. i think we should leave it at that.



they could make some limited edition ps3 with full ps2 BC again. I think that would sell a lot if bundled with a hot game.



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