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wii and 360 are the best systems with excellent attach rate, squarenix should just support both of these formats.



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No matter how hard I try I can not understand Sega and SE attitude towards Nintendo. They make a lot of money with second rate franchises and remakes on GBA and DS, but when it comes to Nintendo home consoles all they do is FUD talk. If they had stellar sales on PS3 and 360 I would understand.



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"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

This story was apparently first run in March of 07. Can someone verify that for us please? If so everything that was said is dated and of no use to discuss.

This means the interview is OLD NEWS ;) still during the early days before anyone knew the Wii was going to take off like it has. Not that no one knew, but no one was willing to throw their money behind their idea at the time. Things have changed.



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The original Kotaku translation ran about 12 hours ago and the next-gen article talking about the Kotaku translation is about 6 hours old as of now.



naznatips said:

The console sells fantastically well regardless of the titles available for it. Consider that a moment. No matter what games are released, or what titles the system has in North America, and in Europe the console will sell fantastically. Remove the core AAA games, and the sales do not even budge downwards. Nintendo only delivered two of their three big titles for the year, and one of those wasn't exactly smoking. No third party developer has even given the console a major title this year. Still the console sells well.


Hardware sales for the console were signifficantly boosted every week a major game was released.  Conclusion?  You don't know what you are talking about and have zero knowledge of sales data.  One of those wasn't smoking?  http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928517.asp 9.0 average isn't smoking? Or maybe you meant the second best game of all time? http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/915692.asp Guess the games you are playing just got burned.

Naz even you know that could just mean that nintendo shipped more wiis that month in anticipation of sales increase from games. If the cosole wasnt selling out all the time you could conclude this

The logical conclusions is a simple one. The games are not selling people on the console. The console is selling people on the console. The control gimmick, and commercials with families acting like lunatics in front of a television screen. The games aren't actually important, and honestly thats why sources like Famitsu report the console sitting unused in homes after people tire of Wii Sports.

Famitsu also reports PS3 games are the most wanted games in Japan, and yet they continually flop.  Dragon Quest IV on the DS outsold every one of the most wanted PS3 games lifetime sales to this point in week 1, and it wasn't even listed as one of the most wanted games.  The day Famitsu means anything to gamers is the day Amazon becomes a valid sales data source (Never). 

As far as games not selling the console: 

Week before SMG: 146,681.  Week of SMG: 267,388 (+82%).  You = wrong.

This argument that the console owners are just waiting for good games is utter nonsense. A gamer fiends for the experience of playing games so they would be buying the best games for the console even if they aren't all that impressive. A saltine is a banquet to a starving man. Seriously whats the logic of buying a console to only play a few titles, and wait for months till the next title you have to have.

A few titles?  It had 11 million sellers in the first year.  That's more than the 360 (7) or PS3 (2), and it outsold the 360 in software in NA last week.  

But possibly less amount of 3rd party sells which is important. Also the wii spreading its demography also will hurt the possible catching up to 360 software sales. Also thats what happenes when you release big games.....thinka bout the week of halo and how much 360 software outsold wii?

He is just saying what many developers are thinking. The sales of the Wii look fantastic. The attach rate does not, and for a third party developer that does not look good. What good is it to develop a game for a console with a five percent attach rate, and to make matters worse they face off against Nintendo which is bound to get the first three purchases from consumers. They are in it to make money. They are in it to keep their jobs.

Attach rate for Wii is around 4.5 games per system.  3.5 if you remove Wii sports.  This is about .5 below the PS3 and about 2.5 below the 360.  Given the rate at which the Wii's userbase is increasing, It won't be long before that attach rate difference really doesn't matter.  

possibly but how much of those attachment rates are 3rd party? Thats what matters to developers.

You have a problem with what he said then support your third party developers. Buy more games, and use your console more. Instead of hooking someone on the console hook them on the library.

Well, everything else you typed in this was wrong including the facts you based your statements on, so I suppose there is no point in responding to your summary sentence.

You assume to much naz and used bad evidence yourself 


 



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The guy needs to put his money where his mouth is.

If the xbox is the only place for gamers, why is their 360 support so abysmal? Why doesn't he try putting DQ10 or FF13 on the 360 with its supposed awesome attach rate? Because even if he gets 100% attach rate in Japan, it'll still be a fraction of the sales potential putting it on another system.

Attach rates can make up for install base only so far. Eventually, a low attach rate with a much higher install base will sell much more. And if he's truly committed to his argument, I don't expect him to ever make a PSP game since that is beyond far the worst attach rate gaming system out there.



@ Lost Tears of Kain and @Naznatips

From a 3rd Party Publisher, you have to look at it from their point of view. Questions and Data needed:

1. What is the attach rate of 3rd Party Wii Games? Obviously this does not include any Nintendo games. It might be quite low compared to PS3 and X360.

Quote: "As far as games not selling the console:
Week before SMG: 146,681. Week of SMG: 267,388 (+82%). You = wrong"

The better data to use should be a 3rd Party Title instead of SMGalaxy. Again, even if SMG increases Wii sales, it does not benefit any 3rd Party, in this case, directly - as they did not see any increased sales of their games.

Quote: "A few titles? It had 11 million sellers in the first year. That's more than the 360 (7) or PS3 (2), and it outsold the 360 in software in NA last week"

Same argument. Use only 3rd Party Games. As per my previous post, using VG Charts Data, there are only (3) 3rd Party Million Sellers.

Both of you have valid points. Of course, if the Wii continues to have massive sales, the userbase alone will help increase game sales, even if the attach rate is lower.

If you were a 3rd Party Video Game Publisher, using the data in place - more weight should be given to the console with a higher 3rd Party attach rate/success/track record.

Of course, like many have pointed out, it seems that Square Enix does not have any games (or very few) for X360. This quote may seem to point that it may have more games for the 360 - though of course there are other factors to consider still.



I believe SE is waiting

they want to see how last remnant and LO do in the west on 360

if either of those break a million could easily persuade SE to make their games multi



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.

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eugene said:
The original Kotaku translation ran about 12 hours ago and the next-gen article talking about the Kotaku translation is about 6 hours old as of now.

 CNET's story is old, not Kotaku's... actually Kotaku's is old as well since they ran the story back in March as well.



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