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disolitude said:


First of all...PS3 doesn't have any 3d capabilities that 360 doesn't have. The only thing PS3 has is software which makes the TV think its an HDMI 1.4 device.

can the 360 do 1080p 3D,no but PS3 can

i know its difficult buy crytek have been syaing that PS3 is a more powerful system and they want to get more out of it

So I really doubt crytek will get a lot more out of the Ps3...there may be slight consmetic differences...like that Mafia 2 game, but it should be similar.

we don't know any of that so lets wait

 

Secondly, the sales are probably more now. But as of early June it was 300,000. Samsung leading the pack since they were out first... Could be double by now actually as sony and LG released their units after June.

http://www.hdguru3d.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=444:samsung-dominates-3d-tv-industry&catid=35:hdguru3d-news&Itemid=59

yeah cause world cup had a major 3d push

And lastly, its just bad business to block existing userbase.

yes but if they were minor if many gamers weren't having it and they never put out a 3D ofr 1.3 then there isn't much of a problem

the people with 3d gear were obviously hardcore users of the tech and will surely purchase the PS3 to test its 3D capabilities...

yeah but not all hardcores are gamers and not necessarily they biy PS3 to test 3D

I can make PS3 work with my TV, but I need this adapter. I shouldn't have to get a 300 dollar adapter...Sony should be fighting to get my $$$ away from other possible 3D solutions.

SURE BUT they never made iot work with old 3D or anything so not much fault

there could have been some problems with the game as older 3DTV's had lower refesh rate too and games need higher refresh rate than Movies that you play on panasonic

if they announced it as a PS feature in 2006 then surely they should have provided it but this is jst an extra thing

 





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Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:


First of all...PS3 doesn't have any 3d capabilities that 360 doesn't have. The only thing PS3 has is software which makes the TV think its an HDMI 1.4 device.

can the 360 do 1080p 3D,no but PS3 can

i know its difficult buy crytek have been syaing that PS3 is a more powerful system and they want to get more out of it

So I really doubt crytek will get a lot more out of the Ps3...there may be slight consmetic differences...like that Mafia 2 game, but it should be similar.

we don't know any of that so lets wait

 

Secondly, the sales are probably more now. But as of early June it was 300,000. Samsung leading the pack since they were out first... Could be double by now actually as sony and LG released their units after June.

http://www.hdguru3d.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=444:samsung-dominates-3d-tv-industry&catid=35:hdguru3d-news&Itemid=59

yeah cause world cup had a major 3d push

And lastly, its just bad business to block existing userbase.

yes but if they were minor if many gamers weren't having it and they never put out a 3D ofr 1.3 then there isn't much of a problem

the people with 3d gear were obviously hardcore users of the tech and will surely purchase the PS3 to test its 3D capabilities...

yeah but not all hardcores are gamers and not necessarily they biy PS3 to test 3D

I can make PS3 work with my TV, but I need this adapter. I shouldn't have to get a 300 dollar adapter...Sony should be fighting to get my $$$ away from other possible 3D solutions.

SURE BUT they never made iot work with old 3D or anything so not much fault

there could have been some problems with the game as older 3DTV's had lower refesh rate too and games need higher refresh rate than Movies that you play on panasonic

if they announced it as a PS feature in 2006 then surely they should have provided it but this is jst an extra thing

 




1. But PS3 CAN'T do 1080p for 3D gaming...only bluray movies supports 1080p.

Hell, the brand new 5000 dollar 3D TV can NOT do 1080p 3D gaming. Gaming is limited 720p on all TVs...Kinda sad considering that my 22 inch monitor does 1080p 3D with the PC. 

If Crytek gets more out of PS3 its because PS3 is indeed the more powerful system, not because it can do better 3D. 360 has 3D advantages over PS3 believe it or not. Its video card is better, has 512 unified RAM vs 256mb and has 10 MB of ram ont he CPU. All of these help 3D more than a strong CPU...but if Crytek plays around with the cell enough, im sure they can make the Ps3 version slightly sharper.

2. My "old" 3D TV has a 300 mhz refresh rate, and a response time of 0.0008 miliseconds. New LED LCD 3D TVs have 120 hz and 2 miliseconds. I have seen all of the new 3D TVs and the only models which are better than the "old" 3D DLP TVs are the Panasonic Plasmas. Everything else has horrible ghosting or other issues like picture going crazy if you tilt your head.

What I am trying to say is that the 3D TVs and monitors before HDMI 1.4 are not inferior to the new technology.

Its actually very much the same...minus the fact that they don't have HDMI 1.4. Which has the same bandwith as HDMI 1.3...yet is used to lock all HDMI 1.3 devices out of 3D content...lol



disolitude said:


1. But PS3 CAN'T do 1080p for 3D gaming...only bluray movies supports 1080p.

Hell, the brand new 5000 dollar 3D TV can NOT do 1080p 3D gaming. Gaming is limited 720p on all TVs...Kinda sad considering that my 22 inch monitor does 1080p 3D with the PC. 

and what stops the tv from 1080p gaming??????????????????

sony has stated that 1080p is possible and instructions for it

If Crytek gets more out of PS3 its because PS3 is indeed the more powerful system, not because it can do better 3D.

i was comparing in both departments

360 has 3D advantages over PS3 believe it or not. Its video card is better, has 512 unified RAM vs 256mb and has 10 MB of ram ont he CPU. All of these help 3D more than a strong CPU...but if Crytek plays around with the cell enough, im sure they can make the Ps3 version slightly sharper.

and PS3 doesn't need a strong GPU as CELL DOES ALOT OF THE WORK and even the main PS3 design CELL was supposed tio do everything so their isn't any 360 advantage

2. My "old" 3D TV has a 300 mhz refresh rate, and a response time of 0.0008 miliseconds. New LED LCD 3D TVs have 120 hz and 2 miliseconds.

many new tv's have 200-240hz

What I am trying to say is that the 3D TVs and monitors before HDMI 1.4 are not inferior to the new technology.

didn't say it but many that came before had 120-140hz and nower available are 200hz



Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:


1. But PS3 CAN'T do 1080p for 3D gaming...only bluray movies supports 1080p.

Hell, the brand new 5000 dollar 3D TV can NOT do 1080p 3D gaming. Gaming is limited 720p on all TVs...Kinda sad considering that my 22 inch monitor does 1080p 3D with the PC. 

and what stops the tv from 1080p gaming??????????????????

sony has stated that 1080p is possible and instructions for it

I

Look up the manditory HDMI 1.4 spec for gaming on these new TVs. Its locked at 720p frame packing 3D. Even using a PC its locked to 720p...which is sad as I can push 1080p 3D gaming using my PC.

There was a very long thread discussing this few weeks ago. Basically the new TVs don't have fast enough HDMi chips...297mhz is needed and the fastest ones are 225mhz today. Therefore they blocked off the 1080p 3D fucntion.



disolitude said:

Look up the manditory HDMI 1.4 spec for gaming on these new TVs. Its locked at 720p frame packing 3D. Even using a PC its locked to 720p...which is sad as I can push 1080p 3D gaming using my PC.

i have seen many companies claim 1080p and 1080p is surely possible on blueray 3D too

even if it isn't that sad as the PC has smaller screen  and 108p deserves a big screen unless you have one

There was a very long thread discussing this few weeks ago. Basically the new TVs don't have fast enough HDMi chips...297mhz is needed and the fastest ones are 225mhz today. Therefore they blocked off the 1080p 3D fucntion.

the 1080p 3D can be done at 200hz and easily on 240hz.





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Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:

Look up the manditory HDMI 1.4 spec for gaming on these new TVs. Its locked at 720p frame packing 3D. Even using a PC its locked to 720p...which is sad as I can push 1080p 3D gaming using my PC.

i have seen many companies claim 1080p and 1080p is surely possible on blueray 3D too

even if it isn't that sad as the PC has smaller screen  and 108p deserves a big screen unless you have one

There was a very long thread discussing this few weeks ago. Basically the new TVs don't have fast enough HDMi chips...297mhz is needed and the fastest ones are 225mhz today. Therefore they blocked off the 1080p 3D fucntion.

the 1080p 3D can be done at 200hz and easily on 240hz.



Just take Diso's word for it.  I do not want to do the math again....

The internal hz of the TV does not matter at all on whether it can do 1080p 3D or not.  The HDMI port is the key.  The port can physically accept the bandwi of a 1080P signal (and throughput, I did the math on both of these) but it is a limitation that SONY and the HDMI council put on HDMI 1.4.  Does not matter if it theoretically CAN support it or not, when it is not considered an accepted format.



lol, thanks SSenkahdavic.

@Solid_Snake4RD

1080p 3D is possible for bluray because its running at 24 hz. Gaming needs to run at 60 hz and as SSenkahdavic stated, 1st gen HDMi 1.4 3D TVs have that format locked out.

These now 3D TVs are like having a car whose engine is producing 500 horsepower, but ony 350 are used to spin the back wheels lol...



Ssenkahdavic said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:

Look up the manditory HDMI 1.4 spec for gaming on these new TVs. Its locked at 720p frame packing 3D. Even using a PC its locked to 720p...which is sad as I can push 1080p 3D gaming using my PC.

i have seen many companies claim 1080p and 1080p is surely possible on blueray 3D too

even if it isn't that sad as the PC has smaller screen  and 108p deserves a big screen unless you have one

There was a very long thread discussing this few weeks ago. Basically the new TVs don't have fast enough HDMi chips...297mhz is needed and the fastest ones are 225mhz today. Therefore they blocked off the 1080p 3D fucntion.

the 1080p 3D can be done at 200hz and easily on 240hz.



Just take Diso's word for it.  I do not want to do the math again....

The internal hz of the TV does not matter at all on whether it can do 1080p 3D or not.  The HDMI port is the key.  The port can physically accept the bandwi of a 1080P signal (and throughput, I did the math on both of these) but it is a limitation that SONY and the HDMI council put on HDMI 1.4.  Does not matter if it theoretically CAN support it or not, when it is not considered an accepted format.

the internal hz of the tv matters alot

yeah its another what limitations have been set but if PS3 is cpable then it should be doing it

and  SONY have declared blu-ray 1080p 3D movies and SONY is a part of HDMI



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Ssenkahdavic said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:

Look up the manditory HDMI 1.4 spec for gaming on these new TVs. Its locked at 720p frame packing 3D. Even using a PC its locked to 720p...which is sad as I can push 1080p 3D gaming using my PC.

i have seen many companies claim 1080p and 1080p is surely possible on blueray 3D too

even if it isn't that sad as the PC has smaller screen  and 108p deserves a big screen unless you have one

There was a very long thread discussing this few weeks ago. Basically the new TVs don't have fast enough HDMi chips...297mhz is needed and the fastest ones are 225mhz today. Therefore they blocked off the 1080p 3D fucntion.

the 1080p 3D can be done at 200hz and easily on 240hz.



Just take Diso's word for it.  I do not want to do the math again....

The internal hz of the TV does not matter at all on whether it can do 1080p 3D or not.  The HDMI port is the key.  The port can physically accept the bandwi of a 1080P signal (and throughput, I did the math on both of these) but it is a limitation that SONY and the HDMI council put on HDMI 1.4.  Does not matter if it theoretically CAN support it or not, when it is not considered an accepted format.

the internal hz of the tv matters alot

yeah its another what limitations have been set but if PS3 is cpable then it should be doing it

and  SONY have declared clu-ray 1080p 3D movies and SONY is a part of HDMI

Yep. 1080P movies@24fps.  You cannot play games at that frame rate (talk about jumpy).  That is the ONLY 1080p signal that is accepted, period.



disolitude said:

lol, thanks SSenkahdavic.

@Solid_Snake4RD

1080p 3D is possible for bluray because its running at 24 hz. Gaming needs to run at 60 hz and as SSenkahdavic stated, 1st gen HDMi 1.4 3D TVs have that format locked out.

These now 3D TVs are like having a car whose engine is producing 500 horsepower, but ony 350 are used to spin the back wheels lol...

you said even 1080 3d bluray's aren't

and then you change your word which makes it hard to believe your word in the first placed

alrite jst end it now