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Solid_Snake4RD said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

now you are just drunk

it can't be that people are buying $299 hw  and then just can't buy software

and it just simply can't be that all have been doing it as 360 HW have been alot and SW have barely moved.

I think welshie has a good point. If I ever get Wii or 360 I'll only be buying used games. There's probably only a few more PS3 games this gen I'll buy new. I've bought more PS3 games new than I did PS2 games, so my new game buying phase is almost over.

As to Squillies idea that RROD fear has been holding people back, well for me there was no way I was buying a used phat 360 when the next gen starts. But now I'm almost certain to be buying a used 360s (prolly Arcade) a year or so after Nextbox releases. So take that for what you will.

Having said that I still think this doesn't fully explain why 360 weekly HW>>>>PS3 weekly HW atm but 360 SW < PS3 SW at the same time. There's a significant % of upgraders in the weekly numbers right now, and they will eventually fall away.

I wonder if people buying 250Gig in advance of Kinect are going to be a little miffed when they realise they're gonna end up paying $50 more than those who wait and buy the 250Gig Kinect Bundle.



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Carl2291 said:
c0rd said:
Carl2291 said:

What i find really funny is that it's only the Wii fanbase who seem say the "doomed" word these days.

And can you please list me the sales of the top 3 DK games please? Then show me the top 3 sales of Mario games, before NSMBWii?

People obviously don't need to say "doomed" to insinuate it is.

When someone predicts the 360 and possibly the PS3 will outsell it this holiday, that's essentially what they're saying. Since we know 360 and PS3 sales will be low (compared to Wii last holiday), for this to happen, the Wii would have to be down like, 40%, at least.

Doomed is a huge over-exaggeration. And even then... How many people have predicted both PS3 and 360 will outsell the Wii this holiday? "Doomed" is a phrase here that is used mainly by the Wii fanbase these days.

The Wii is looking shabby when compared to what we are used to from the Wii. This is a fact. And the Wii being down ~40% sounds a bit much... But it is definitely possible. They (currently) don't have a pricecut. And no single title bigger than NSMB Wii. Never mind NSMBWii, Wii Sports Resort, Tales of Graces and Wii Fit Plus combined.

Add in the possibility of Kinect and/or Move taking off and thus stealing some of the Wii's sales... You have the possibility of Wii being down a lot.

The Source himself said that there is certainly a chance that the 360 will outsell the Wii in NA for the rest of the year, he said it in the NPD thread.



PS3 better in North America. Nice!



Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

I agree with this too. If I were to buy a PS3 from this point on, I would definitely be buying used games.


you agree on everything that makes sales of 360 seem to get new owners

if used games were then sales of old games would just drop and used game sales would increase

with amount of HW increase 360S has brought there should be some increase in SW but it has barely changed


I'd add that there just isn't a dominant game right now that all new buyers would get.  So even if they are buying a game or two, it's just spread across the hundreds of possibilities.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

I agree with this too. If I were to buy a PS3 from this point on, I would definitely be buying used games.


you agree on everything that makes sales of 360 seem to get new owners

if used games were then sales of old games would just drop and used game sales would increase

with amount of HW increase 360S has brought there should be some increase in SW but it has barely changed


Wrong, I already agreed with the existing owners idea, evidence can been seen in my original reply to you.....the "no shit" part. Go back and check it cause you seem to have missed it. You on the other hand act as if you ONLY agree with the one idea that has NO new 360 owners. 

As far as used games sales, is there a way to track that? I seriously don't know.

no i have never said only  old 360 owners are buying 360S

my view is that the main sales are from upgradation and few people are buying it and hence SW isn't increasing

there is noway to track used game sales

there are 2 things at play here.

1) it has been a very lean month for game releases, nothing new to buy = lower sales

2) why buy new when as there is nothing new out all the games can be bought cheaper second hand.

example, My brother purchased his first console this gen 2 weeks ago, he upgraded from his recently deceased ps2 to a 360s with 5 games, all 5 games were second hand, until mafia and then reach are released he will only purchase second hand.



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I myself think it could be possible for wii to sell like it did before. the key is them redesigning the wii and adding a HDMI port to it and maybe making it to where you can add a portable hard drive as well. then sells would increase again. plus they could do a redesign and keep the current one but drop the price of it down to 150. 

 

as for the other two consoles i think the ps3 has past its peak just because of the fact they already released their redesign and granted yes could use another price cut but i dont see sales affecting it that much. the 360s is at its peak right now so when the appeal is gone it will drop back down to where it was. i think all these sales is hinged on what nintendo is either thinking up or gonna try in the future to bump  sales back to where it was. 



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Carl2291 said:
*Sound Of Rain said:

Why is everyone acting like the Wii had tons and tons of games in 2010 and the P.S.3 had nothing this year? Last time I checked with 1st Party games the P.S.3 has had:

M.A.G_MLB10 The Show_White Knight Chronicles_Heavy Rain_God Of War 3_Modnation Racers all come out in 2010.

The Wii has only had:

Endless Ocean Blue World_Sin And Punishment Star Successor_Super Mario Galaxy 2(Note both lists are for America which I consider to be the largest market) Also some people have been saying for weeks now that the Wii just got Wii Party which is untrue as only Japan has had Wii Party while America and Europe to get it until October 2010.

Learn your facts before posting dumb comments... The P.S.3 has had way more big games than the Wii easy so far in 2010. When Wii gets more big games later this year trust me the gap between the 2 will be a lot larger.

This just looks like you making excuses to try make it not sound as bad as it is for the Wii.

Sony supported the PS3 this year with quality title after quality title. And they STILL have a bunch more games left for the end of the year...

Who's fault is it that Nintendo hasn't released a bunch of games for the Wii this year...?

All i got from your post is Sony support there console a lot better than Nintendo support theres.

Nintendo has done their part of releasing quality games for Wii. The problem is mainly third parties, who are almost single handedly cutting the Wii's life shorter than its potential. Nintendo can't really control that, if they don't want to develop for the console, then they don't want to.



Metallicube said:
Carl2291 said:
*Sound Of Rain said:

Why is everyone acting like the Wii had tons and tons of games in 2010 and the P.S.3 had nothing this year? Last time I checked with 1st Party games the P.S.3 has had:

M.A.G_MLB10 The Show_White Knight Chronicles_Heavy Rain_God Of War 3_Modnation Racers all come out in 2010.

The Wii has only had:

Endless Ocean Blue World_Sin And Punishment Star Successor_Super Mario Galaxy 2(Note both lists are for America which I consider to be the largest market) Also some people have been saying for weeks now that the Wii just got Wii Party which is untrue as only Japan has had Wii Party while America and Europe to get it until October 2010.

Learn your facts before posting dumb comments... The P.S.3 has had way more big games than the Wii easy so far in 2010. When Wii gets more big games later this year trust me the gap between the 2 will be a lot larger.

This just looks like you making excuses to try make it not sound as bad as it is for the Wii.

Sony supported the PS3 this year with quality title after quality title. And they STILL have a bunch more games left for the end of the year...

Who's fault is it that Nintendo hasn't released a bunch of games for the Wii this year...?

All i got from your post is Sony support there console a lot better than Nintendo support theres.

Nintendo has done their part of releasing quality games for Wii. The problem is mainly third parties, who are almost single handedly cutting the Wii's life shorter than its potential. Nintendo can't really control that, if they don't want to develop for the console, then they don't want to.


What? Isn't wii getting the most 3rd party games? They develop for the console, they just don't make the games you want.



amazing sales all around guys, well done to 360, and ps3 is still doing really well, not long now until we hit september and move releases



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hatmoza said:

*Angry face* @ gap being 5.5 m again


Whats so wrong with the gap? Not like PS3 will ever take the lead so why not just be happy that PS3 is not getting as killed as it used to be. It is nice to see them pretty close in overall sales but X360 won`t lose its lead until this generation is no longer relavant (if ever).



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