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Hus said:
vanguardian1 said:

And btw, to be fair, there are also many gamers not happy with the paths that Sony and Microsoft have taken as well. There's nothing wrong with anyone's opinion, it's when we try to force our opinions on others that causes problems.

 


other then Nin fans... not really.

 

 

 

Yes, there are: a lot of PS2 owners that want a ps3 but can't afford it because it's twice the price of ps2 on its launch day.

 



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PS360N64PSXBOX said:

So does raw power really matter? Well could Mario64 be done on a Snes? Could GTA: San Andreas without making significant sacrifices beyond just the graphics be done on the N64?

 

Could Msrio64 be done on the SNES? No.. Could gta san andreas be done on the N64? No. Neither is powerful enough or has enough memory to play those games.


I think what the person meant is that maybe those games could be made on a cheaper system, look different but be as fun. He's probably not talking about the power but how enjoyable those games could be if they could be done on older systems.

Myself, though, I can't imagine those games on an older system... Mario 64 had a high success because it was the first 3D Mario and it was "different".



PS360N64PSXBOX said:
windbane said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
vanguardian1 said:

PS360N64PSXBOX, your attitude and statements could be improved as well, you're not standing on any higher ground right now.

 

And btw, to be fair, there are also many gamers not happy with the paths that Sony and Microsoft have taken as well. There's nothing wrong with anyone's opinion, it's when we try to force our opinions on others that causes problems.

 

Do unto others as you would want done to yourself, both in real life and online.


 

1) Again, nobody proves this.

2) I am aware, I just happen not to be one of them.

3) What is the point of this?


The point is that you are too defensive and quick to claim you are the only one that is right. Oh, and I have a PS3 but I'm getting a Wii. There are games I'd like to play for both, and I'm not threatened by the Wii because I know that it's just expanding the market, not shrinking it. "Hardcore" games will remain, so everyone chill out.


Well, Maybe if people would stop attacking me and try to state their views and disprove my statements..Maybe I wouldn't be so quick to claim I am right? So far nobody had given a reason to believe that I am wrong...If I am indeed wrong it should be easy to prove right?

 

Nobody is goin pay any attention to you saying chill out. Seriously, in all the forums I have been at those comments get ignored about 99.5% of the time.


 You may be right about some things, but you know what never does any good?  Insulting people.  Sure, no one is going to pay attention to me saying calm down, but it's not like you are going to convince anyone by insulting people.  You aren't right about everything, either.  The Wii can do some things the PS3 can't and that is get more people to play consoles that weren't already.  If Sony dragged along the same people that played PS1 and PS2 they would be successful, but half of those people are probably also going to get a Wii because it's different and for some games the controls will be better.  Double analog is not the best for all games.  I hate to break that to you.



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 My point was that they can't be done unless making significant sacrifices, so much they become different games. We see this with many games "ported" to the Nintendo DS, which are actually complete redesigns because the hardware is unable to deliver a similar gameplay experience as compared to the home console version. The PSP is much closer to the PS2, at a lower resolution the device can mimic the PS2 game experience very well.



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robjoh said:
Smash_Brother said:
Delusional said:
i think the only thing people feel threatened is by wii's sales numbers. because the higher those numbers are, the less likely their console of choice would win the "console war".

And with that, this thread is over.

People place far too much emphasis on their purchasing decisions. When someone says they favor an alternative purchasing decision (like buying a different console than they did), it sets off that primal part of the human mind which attempts to drive a wedge between itself and other humans.

Humans have done this for centuries, mostly with religion, but the idea is all the same: if someone holds an opposing viewpoint to you, they are a threat.

If the Wii becomes the dominant next-gen console, it not only means that more games will go to it but also has a lot to do with the general feeling of being the minority, and nothing sends fans into a defensive frenzy like realizing that there are more of the other guys than there are of them.

It's a basic human instinct and while it would be nice if people would rise above their base instincts, it hasn't happened in thousands of years of human existence so I see no reason why it would happen now.

People should be happy about the Wii: it's breathing new life into a gaming market which was starting to stagnate and die. Game sales have been steadily decreasing over the past few years and it was the DS which was actually pushing the market back in the other direction.

In the long run, both Sony and MS will benefit from the Wii's influence because it is pulling new people into gaming and some of those people will decide to buy one of their consoles.

So don't hate the Wii. When the next generation comes (or maybe even this one), Sony and MS will have motion-sensing controllers of their own and will be doing a lot of the same things that Nintendo is now, and if that scares or offends you, I don't know what to tell you other than that this is the only way.

Either the market can expand or it can slowly shrink to a niché, and that means fewer games for everyone.
I actually hope not, and I am a Wii fan, the key with Wii is diversity on the consol market. If next xbox or playstation goes for separate motion sensors as Wii, I think the industy has missed the point. We as games should have more choice and more important the gaiming industry needs to expand, a lot. How many billions of people doesn't watch movies? Why doesn't the consol gaiming audience have 1 billion users yet? It should be possible. If this gen is so succesfull that all three consols sells at least 100 millions, I will be very happy!

 

Dont worry about it. Nintendo has a pantent on the wiimotes way of motion sensitivity (and there is no more advanced way of doing it) and itll be good for a long time. and another thing, nintendo did it first. thats the key. why does PS3 even sell? loyalty. I dont want to attack them, but its true. It started with the PS1 beating out the N64, then PS2 took that support (and with a good solid console) and easily won that war of consoles (with GC and XB).  They won those wars, so as long as each company (MS, Nin. and Sony) keep just doing the same old thing (upgrade graphics and better online play) Sony would always win regardless of the competing prices. Had nintendo just simply done the same old thing, but still been 250, they would be basically in a tie with XB and sony would be winning, Nintendos console would have no 3rd party support again.  But nintendo didnt follow the basic trend, and thats why they are winning, thats why sony has lost its dominance, and why the Wii is getting more third party support than the GC ever came close to. 

 In conclusion, even if MS and Sony have some hightech (or even identical) motion sensing controls for their next console, it wont beat out nintendo, not even close. Nintendo did it first. Now Nintendo has the support of the fans, people are jumping on the bandwagon, and just like the PS1 and 2, as long as the consoles just keep doing the same old thing, then nintendo will always easily win. O, and BTW the "same old thing" right now is either just make the slightest improvment on graphics and online play (cause theres not much room for improvment in either of those categories anymore) or do the motion sensing thing. nintendo has now made that their standard, they arent going to ever abandon it.



A delayed game is good someday, a bad game is bad forever.

PS360N64PSXBOX: Maybe if you weren't constantly making conflicting rants such as "No one is threatened by its lack of power I just don't like the MD" immediately followed by "I'll never get the Wii 'cause it's the weakest console" people wouldn't be attacking your statements so often. ;> Anyway 99% of the posts I read complaining about the Wii are all about how the graphics suck and if it wins it'll be the end of epic HD games.



I'm going to stick with the main question...

I'm scared of the Wii because my mom always said to be careful of the small, quiet kids in class.  They're the ones who usually turn out to be the mass murderers. 



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DKII said:
PS360N64PSXBOX: Maybe if you weren't constantly making conflicting rants such as "No one is threatened by its lack of power I just don't like the MD" immediately followed by "I'll never get the Wii 'cause it's the weakest console" people wouldn't be attacking your statements so often. ;> Anyway 99% of the posts I read complaining about the Wii are all about how the graphics suck and if it wins it'll be the end of epic HD games.

 

Out of context....As always. I had bad experiences with the PS2, after the slow load times I swore never to buy the weakest system again...Or atleast an underpowered one. People attack because they hate the message so they attack the messenger.

What do I care about HD? I don't have an HD tv and this goes deeper than that.



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

windbane said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
windbane said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
vanguardian1 said:

PS360N64PSXBOX, your attitude and statements could be improved as well, you're not standing on any higher ground right now.

 

And btw, to be fair, there are also many gamers not happy with the paths that Sony and Microsoft have taken as well. There's nothing wrong with anyone's opinion, it's when we try to force our opinions on others that causes problems.

 

Do unto others as you would want done to yourself, both in real life and online.


 

1) Again, nobody proves this.

2) I am aware, I just happen not to be one of them.

3) What is the point of this?


The point is that you are too defensive and quick to claim you are the only one that is right. Oh, and I have a PS3 but I'm getting a Wii. There are games I'd like to play for both, and I'm not threatened by the Wii because I know that it's just expanding the market, not shrinking it. "Hardcore" games will remain, so everyone chill out.


Well, Maybe if people would stop attacking me and try to state their views and disprove my statements..Maybe I wouldn't be so quick to claim I am right? So far nobody had given a reason to believe that I am wrong...If I am indeed wrong it should be easy to prove right?

 

Nobody is goin pay any attention to you saying chill out. Seriously, in all the forums I have been at those comments get ignored about 99.5% of the time.


 You may be right about some things, but you know what never does any good?  Insulting people.  Sure, no one is going to pay attention to me saying calm down, but it's not like you are going to convince anyone by insulting people.  You aren't right about everything, either.  The Wii can do some things the PS3 can't and that is get more people to play consoles that weren't already.  If Sony dragged along the same people that played PS1 and PS2 they would be successful, but half of those people are probably also going to get a Wii because it's different and for some games the controls will be better.  Double analog is not the best for all games.  I hate to break that to you.


 

1) Like I was attacked?

2) I really haven't attacked or insulted as much as you claim

3) Not right? Like about what?

4) Is that so? How can you claim these people never played before? Have you polled them? The Wii can't match the PS3's graphics, speed, online..Not to mention the PS3 has MD so if Sony wanted to they could make the PS3 do anything the Wii can. So no, there is nothing the Wii can do the PS3 can't. To match the Wii's MD powers all sony needs is a different controller as the PS3 can already detect MD.

5) Half of those people? Grabbing at straws here. And the controls are up to the person, I doubt the big N will get half of Sony's market. They are not even trying to.

6) Nice try slick. Where did I say that? Ooooohhhh, Thats right...I didn't.....Hmmmm. But I love to break it to you, but MD isn't best for all game either....

 

FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixaxis#SIXAXIS

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740746p1.html

 

Learn about the sixaxis controller. There is more to than teh dual analog.



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!