By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - Portrayal of Athesits and Theists in Movies/TV?

Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

One of the aliens has to leave their suit to save someones lives.  One guy who is a member of a race that does believe in gods though, sees nothing, because he never beleived in any of their 49 gods.

It was an interesting and fun way to show his atheism and it was interesting in how he regretted not being able to see something so wonderous like everybody else did.  I mean being able to see a giant glowing angel descend from the heavens would be quite the site to see.

Wow, glad I never watched that show. It's disgustin really, the atheist regretting not being religious.

You wouldn't regret not being able to see something that was more amazing then anything you've seen in your life? Seriously?  I'd say you have issues if that's the case.

There are other atheists on the show for what it's worth.

Well I think the entire concept of regretting one's own atheism is ridiculous.  I can regret my atheism as easily as I can regret my height.  I was born an atheist, and I grew to be this tall ::makes height gesture::.  Nobody converted me to a religion when I was young, and nobody stunted my growth or cut my feet off.  I had nothing to do with it.



Around the Network
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Oh the poor athist that's blind to the "truth". This annoys me.

Were those even real angels/gods whatever?

No, they were aliens... like I said.   In fact, their largest rivals suggest that they are seen that way because of the genetic manipulation done to the "younger" races via gentic modification.

It wasn't that he was blind to seeing something freakin awesome that had everyone else speachless.

The guy is an atheist until the day he dies.  He just missed out on something awesome and was an interesting wrinkle to what the vorlons did.



Both the "Angel" race and their rival race are generally show to be just as bad as each other and kicked out of the universe by young races.

Well, considering that those alians were frauds and manipulated people he should've been happy to not be manipulated by them.

EXACTLY! People should always realize, it is the writer who decides what happens in TV-Shows. Alternatively the Writer could have chosen for the Atheist to feel superior, because he hasn't been "tricked" by the Aliens.

Especially since he didn't see anything, why would he regret it? He doesn't know what he has missed. And seeing everyone else staring in amazement would make me rather uncomfortable, especially knowing there is actually nothing to see.

 it's like someone regretting buying an Iphone  because he can't see "the most amazing video ever" since it's on Youtube only

and by the way, i thought Babylon 5 was one of the better Sci fi Shows.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Soleron said:
richardhutnik said:
...

The Lord of the Rings storny is sited by some Christians as one that tells a Christian message.  You have magic, and Sauron.  You have good battling evil.  God is remote in it.

The author's intention was for no allegory. But I suppose you can take it how you want.

When you play around with symbolism, good and evil, and so on, you end up creating stories that end up having a message behind them.  Tolkien's background ended up having a message come through, even if the intention wasn't there.

I also find it interesting with the Matrix Trilogy the creators weren't trying to tell an allegory, just have a story, but they borrowed symbolism and so on, they end up looking like they had a message they were telling.



Where did people get the idea that Tolkien's Middle Earth isn't full of religion?

The universe is created by Eru Ilúvatar, who is equivalent to the head god (or the only one, depending on which way you view it all). Eru creates the spirits, called the Ainur, which can be equated either with minor gods or angels. Of the Ainur, there's the Valar, who basically represent elements (the king of the Valar is Manwe, who is lord of the air, and his wife is Varda, queen of the stars), and there's the Maiar, who are essentially their servants.

Morgoth, the main "bad guy" of the entire series, is the evil Vala... think Lucifer. Gandalf is actually a Maiar.

A lot of it isn't specifically revealed in the Lord of the Rings trilogy itself, but it's definitely part of the backstory.



richardhutnik said:
Soleron said:
richardhutnik said:
...

The Lord of the Rings storny is sited by some Christians as one that tells a Christian message.  You have magic, and Sauron.  You have good battling evil.  God is remote in it.

The author's intention was for no allegory. But I suppose you can take it how you want.

When you play around with symbolism, good and evil, and so on, you end up creating stories that end up having a message behind them.  Tolkien's background ended up having a message come through, even if the intention wasn't there.

I also find it interesting with the Matrix Trilogy the creators weren't trying to tell an allegory, just have a story, but they borrowed symbolism and so on, they end up looking like they had a message they were telling.

Quite true. Plus, one can't deny that a writer's personal convictions (including religious ones) and view of life will influence his/her work.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Around the Network
richardhutnik said:
Soleron said:
richardhutnik said:
...

The Lord of the Rings storny is sited by some Christians as one that tells a Christian message.  You have magic, and Sauron.  You have good battling evil.  God is remote in it.

The author's intention was for no allegory. But I suppose you can take it how you want.

When you play around with symbolism, good and evil, and so on, you end up creating stories that end up having a message behind them.  Tolkien's background ended up having a message come through, even if the intention wasn't there.

I also find it interesting with the Matrix Trilogy the creators weren't trying to tell an allegory, just have a story, but they borrowed symbolism and so on, they end up looking like they had a message they were telling.

you mean just like the people who wrote the bible? 



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Aielyn said:

Where did people get the idea that Tolkien's Middle Earth isn't full of religion?

The universe is created by Eru Ilúvatar, who is equivalent to the head god (or the only one, depending on which way you view it all). Eru creates the spirits, called the Ainur, which can be equated either with minor gods or angels. Of the Ainur, there's the Valar, who basically represent elements (the king of the Valar is Manwe, who is lord of the air, and his wife is Varda, queen of the stars), and there's the Maiar, who are essentially their servants.

Morgoth, the main "bad guy" of the entire series, is the evil Vala... think Lucifer. Gandalf is actually a Maiar.

A lot of it isn't specifically revealed in the Lord of the Rings trilogy itself, but it's definitely part of the backstory.

yay someone that knows more about LotR than was in the movies, and you saved me having to correct him. And you actually remembered all the names (or could be bothered looking them up) etc 



@TheVoxelman on twitter

Check out my hype threads: Cyberpunk, and The Witcher 3!

Porcupine_I said:
richardhutnik said:
Soleron said:
richardhutnik said:
...

The Lord of the Rings storny is sited by some Christians as one that tells a Christian message.  You have magic, and Sauron.  You have good battling evil.  God is remote in it.

The author's intention was for no allegory. But I suppose you can take it how you want.

When you play around with symbolism, good and evil, and so on, you end up creating stories that end up having a message behind them.  Tolkien's background ended up having a message come through, even if the intention wasn't there.

I also find it interesting with the Matrix Trilogy the creators weren't trying to tell an allegory, just have a story, but they borrowed symbolism and so on, they end up looking like they had a message they were telling.

you mean just like the people who wrote the bible? 

Depends on what is considered behind the word "inspired".  Architypes have powerful meaning in conveying messages, even if the writer may not be aware.



richardhutnik said:
Porcupine_I said:
richardhutnik said:
Soleron said:
richardhutnik said:
...

The Lord of the Rings storny is sited by some Christians as one that tells a Christian message.  You have magic, and Sauron.  You have good battling evil.  God is remote in it.

The author's intention was for no allegory. But I suppose you can take it how you want.

When you play around with symbolism, good and evil, and so on, you end up creating stories that end up having a message behind them.  Tolkien's background ended up having a message come through, even if the intention wasn't there.

I also find it interesting with the Matrix Trilogy the creators weren't trying to tell an allegory, just have a story, but they borrowed symbolism and so on, they end up looking like they had a message they were telling.

you mean just like the people who wrote the bible? 

Depends on what is considered behind the word "inspired".  Architypes have powerful meaning in conveying messages, even if the writer may not be aware.


as a example i will use it in a sentence:

"the People who wrote the Bible were "Inspired" by the Gilgamesh Epos, and various other sources"



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

An accurate representation of most atheists would be some oversensitive pretentious a'hole who is always complaining about other people's beliefs, insulting people who don't agree with his views, and makes strong attempts trying to drive his views down everyone else's throat. Not exactly a character that I feel would be popular on any TV show.

While many religious people are often intellectually impaired; believing in something without actually understanding the philosophy behind it; I find that atheists very often take the cake when it comes to having a poor understanding of the subjects of philosophy revolving around human culture. Each side has severe flaws, because each has made their decision on what they feel is correct, and close themselves off to everything else; and are therefore intellectually impaired on the subject.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.