So if it was growth in the export driven private sector that was the reason for the recovery in Japan, what benefit was there to increasing their national debt by 120% GDP through stimulus spending?

Keynesian economics are flawed because there is a substantial difference between someone being paid to "Dig holes and fill them in" and someone who is paid to produce goods and/or services that individuals would happily pay for.

Because that export model was not sustainable, and now Japan is suffering again, because of it's huge reliance on exports, which has plummeted due to the global recession.

There's more advanced Macroecon with Japan, and I'll have to read more on that (Krugman especially wrote a lot about Japan and studied it).

Well the thing about the paying people to dig holes is that those people then go to coffee shops, and then the coffee shop owner buys some clothes for her daughter, etc. But like I said, I prefer stimulus the most, and I'm not really comfortable with other forms of fiscal policy as they sound like you say, a bit too voodoo. I mean, with infrastructure, the money is concentrated on a few people.

But then again, there may be a psychological effect with giving people the job itself, and regaining confidence. That's why I think Macro economics needs to communicate better with psychology.

What do you mean spending with our means? Are you against borrowing all together? We're borrowing now, because we believe we're not producing at our optimal level, due to inadequate demand, and that by doing defeceit spending now, consumers and firms will invest on their own again with regained confidence, and the government can then ease out and worry about paying off the debt and keeping inflation steady.

Right now we're worried about the debt and inflation, when our GDP and deflation is at the biggest risk O.o This is what's fucking killing me, we're focusing on the exact opposite thing at the worst possible time ever.

I'm worried that people are starting to expect government to take care of them, instead of taking care of themselves. There is a difference between borrowing to build a business or infrastructure, and  when we as a country are borrowing to help sustain levels of living that aren't sustainable we are just dragging out what should be a crash in the economy that we built ourselves. We made our bed, lets lye in it.

What the hell does this link has to do with his time as president?  

Every time you provide "evidence" of something, it's as nonsensical as the original point.  It's typical mindless ranting about the U.S. as a magical land where we can have not taxes and all the benefits of paying taxes, all at the same time, where one only has to want to be a success and it magically happens and no one is poor, and we can rape the entire 3rd world of resources and culture and labor and reap no damaging backlash.  

It's so intellectually fraudulent and ridiculous and really not worth anyone's time.

Depends on what you're talking about.   Unemployment money, for example, is not welfare.  It's insurance.  And you're paying for it the whole time you work.  

It's easy to say "Let it all fall" when you are not the one in need, or when you're young and don't have the responsibilities yet - - it becomes a little harder to say "Oh just let it crash" when you have to find a way to take care of three kids and find yourself unemployed and foreclosed upon through no real fault of your own. I  know this because it's my own bias.  I kind of say let it go as well - and it's because I'm fairly stable and I'm single and will be fine, but many of my friends would be screwed and I constantly am reminding myself to put myself in their shoes.

Gross.  This is why we as a country are screwed.  If we invest in anything linked to a union, it's a giveaway and a liberal sellout.  So Repubs never will, and the Dems need to try to mitigate the damage.  Despite the fact that the vast majority of union jobs are manufacturing/construction (which we need more of desperately), education (district debts spiraling out of control for over a decade nationwide, teacher wages up just 3% adjusted for inflation since 1973 despite much more costly and stringent licensing and preparatory requirements), police/firefighter/health care jobs.   It's completely ridiculous to just shrug it off as a giveaway.  There is NOTHING we can do as a country that is more important than keeping kids safe and getting them educated.  If you don't do that, the rest is pointless. 

I mean your argument against the health care plan is "which is viewed by my private employer and those of my friends as doing nothing but raising healthcare costs on the private sector."  Yes.  I'm sure they have done a detailed analysis on the consequences versus staying on our completely unmanageable path that we'd been on.  

#2 is an opinion, so whatever you like.  I don't understand how you can on one hand want the leader of the free world and proponent of American exceptionalism simultaneously  to be at the same time completely humble and self-affacing while at the same time stormtrooping his way across the throats of the rest of the world.  But to each his own.  That worked so well with Bush.  

I'm not sure how well your life works when you roll through it pretending your way is the only way and never admitting flaws and errors, but I know mine wouldn't go so well.  We tried pushing people around and working unilaterally.  It failed miserably.  Obama had little choice but to be more congenial and humble.  In case you haven't noticed, we are completely reliant on India, and China, and Saudi Arabia, etc etc. nowadays.  Not vice versa.

Huh.  Well you know that dollar bill in your pocket?  That's the government holding your money for you and allowing you to do something with it.  Maybe you should barter chickens instead.

That crap about the government being a nanny state is such drivel.  If we actually allowed people to live without a net, we'd be in utter chaos.  Point to a country anywhere that has ever succeeded with a healthy and prosperous population without it.  It's so foolish.

But whatever.  It's your life.  You only hurt yourself by turning something like that down and thinking you are somehow living beyond the system.  I mean, the government helped you in SOOOO many ways get to the point where you can make that choice.  Health services and subsidies, public schools, roads, running water, power grids, investments in the college from which one graduated, the airwaves and telecommunications systems, the internet groundwork you are using now, etc. etc. etc.

The idea that anyone in this country lives above and beyond the government is just so fallacious and fraudulent.  And guess what?  In order for them to be there in the area that YOU need them to be there - after that car crash, or the time mom needed the ambulance or you needed the power back on after the storm, they need to make choices beyond you.  And just because YOUR needs may be different than someone else's doesn't make theirs less important.