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ffirebrand_cloud said:

 

Well, so you are basically saying that mexicans that have economical opportunities to go there legally, are good mexicans, but the ones that enter illegally because they live in a shitty countryside town where they don't have basic services and their children die of hunger are bad? 

 

Wow I hope this is joke.

 


Sorry, but I think you have the wrong country.

http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_MEX.html



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Kasz216 said:
WilliamWatts said:
Kasz216 said:
WilliamWatts said:

Yeah there is. You move somewhere, you naturalise and then make it difficult for anyone to kick you out. Its something which isn't a new phenom. It has been recorded since Roman times and perhaps before then.

Er... which has to do what with international law? 

It predates it.

So does murder.  It predates all laws.  What's your point?


Murder isn't relevant.



Well, I live in Mexico, and 50% of the population is poor, of which 20% live in extreme poverty. It's really not a surprise people flee to the United States searching for a job in order to feed their family. I've travelled to a lot of towns throughout the country, and have been stricken by seeing the houses in which many people live, the ridiculous and sometimes nonexistent medical services that they receive, and the lack of services and food that they suffer from. 

Do you think that mexicans going illegally to the USA do so because they want to? That's just ridiculous. They can't go legally there, I mean they don't even know how to read and write in spanish!

I'm just saying that you shouldn't generalize and consider all of the illegal aliens in the US as bad people, just because they don't have the opportunities to go to your country in a legal way. Ironically, you say that people should not consider all mexicans bad, but imply that illegal aliens are so. 



WilliamWatts said:
Kasz216 said:
WilliamWatts said:
Kasz216 said:
WilliamWatts said:

Yeah there is. You move somewhere, you naturalise and then make it difficult for anyone to kick you out. Its something which isn't a new phenom. It has been recorded since Roman times and perhaps before then.

Er... which has to do what with international law? 

It predates it.

So does murder.  It predates all laws.  What's your point?


Murder isn't relevant.

Sure it is.  You're arguement is people can argue it's ok because it predates international law.   So does murder. 

You can't argue either is justifiable... period.



ffirebrand_cloud said:

Well, I live in Mexico, and 50% of the population is poor, of which 20% live in extreme poverty. It's really not a surprise people flee to the United States searching for a job in order to feed their family. I've travelled to a lot of towns throughout the country, and have been stricken by seeing the houses in which many people live, the ridiculous and sometimes nonexistent medical services that they receive, and the lack of services and food that they suffer from. 

Do you think that mexicans going illegally to the USA do so because they want to? That's just ridiculous. They can't go legally there, I mean they don't even know how to read and write in spanish!

I'm just saying that you shouldn't generalize and consider all of the illegal aliens in the US as bad people, just because they don't have the opportunities to go to your country in a legal way. Ironically, you say that people should not consider all mexicans bad, but imply that illegal aliens are so. 

If they can't read or write in spanish, what makes them think they'll have a good like in the US where you need to know English?

You'll only end up in a worse situation.



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Your whole point is: illegal immigration is illegal (as the term already suggests).

Yes, illegal immigrants accepted to violate a law. Of course that doesn't make them "good" people, but it doesn't automatically make them "bad" people as well as you imply.

Show me one person who has never done anything that was not legal. Who never drove too fast with his car etc. You're not going to find someone, but that doesn't mean every person is bad. And when most people do something that is not legal, they do it for far less understandable reasons than trying to escape poverty.

If you were to live the life of someone who is considering illegal immigration for a few months, I'm sure you would have a completely different opinion on this topic.



Kasz216 said:
WilliamWatts said:


Murder isn't relevant.

Sure it is.  You're arguement is people can argue it's ok because it predates international law.   So does murder. 

You can't argue either is justifiable... period.

Murder doesn't relate to this topic, the historical movement of people does.



Dude, there was a point when African americans werent allowed in certain places... those laws were revised. Is the same thing about migration. The laws have to be revised, and changed.

Want to learn something shocking? the US has the power to kick every single illegal Mexican [and immigrant, why did you just chose mexicans... there are thousands of latin americans, asian and european immigrants there too.] but they dont do it because they would lose shit loads of money.... do you think americans are going to do the dirty job immigrants do for the payment they get?

There was a 5 de mayo (around 2007 i believe)  when every illegal immigrant refuse to work and to spend money on gas, for just that day (May 5th)... and only because of that, the US lost millions.

 

Fuck, freakin US got half of their country through illegal actions. And kick people out of their houses through the same measures.

 

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If they can't read or write in spanish, what makes them think they'll have a good like in the US where you need to know English?

You'll only end up in a worse situation.

You dont need to know english. I lived in the US 5 years, and knew several people who didnt speak english at all, and they still have a good life.

 



Judging that no one corrected you that you wrote Rasist and not Racist, I am going to assume it is some American spelling of the word.



 

 

ArnoldRimmer said:

Your whole point is: illegal immigration is illegal (as the term already suggests).

Yes, illegal immigrants accepted to violate a law. Of course that doesn't make them "good" people, but it doesn't automatically make them "bad" people as well as you imply.

Show me one person who has never done anything that was not legal. Who never drove too fast with his car etc. You're not going to find someone, but that doesn't mean every person is bad. And when most people do something that is not legal, they do it for far less understandable reasons than trying to escape poverty.

If you were to live the life of someone who is considering illegal immigration for a few months, I'm sure you would have a completely different opinion on this topic.


I think you’ve sold me on the idea ... I propose that in Canada we should stop trying to deal with our own problems with poverty and we can start to export all of our uneducated, illiterate, innumerate, drug-addicted, or ex-convict individuals to the United States.