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Tigerlure said:
The technology is improved tech from the PS Eye. Don't tell me it's completely different from the Ps Eye, because me and you know that isn't true. I wouldn't exactly use the word unique, and I'm not dumb, of course people are intrigued by it. People were intrigued with the Wii's motion controls, and PS3's bluray. New technology (not really new in this case) will intrigue plenty of poeple.
First of all, the Eyetoy was just a webcam. The Kinect has two cameras, it shoots lasers, it makes a skeletal model based off your body, its crazy cutting edge shit! I can't find anything else on the market similar to it. And your closest example is a simple webcam. So yeah, I think its very unique.
You're right. There's also not a sure way of knowing if the casuals will pick of Kinect a lot.
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
I'm glad full body motion tracking will make it better for you, but you don't equal everyone else.
Well full body motion tracking may not be better for everyone. But it'll be unique.
I never said Move didn't have shovelware. It does, and it probably will get more, and yes, the games are a lot like Wii games. And I would hope the best games with Move support would play just fine with a joystick, because Sony would have a problem if it didn't. My point is that Move can make those games even better, something you refuse to acknoledge because Kinect doesn't do it for your games.
Well if the best Move games have joystick support than why spend money on the Move? Until it proves to actually make core games better there is nothing to acknowledge. I can honestly say the Wiimote hasn't made core gaming better. So why would I expect different from the Move?
Most of the 360 owners, well I'd assume, are hard core gamers. I would hope Microsoft would be able to offer something to their core audience with Kinect, because Kinect won't have an easy time competing with the Wii this Christmas as a bundle. You're acting as if core gamers aren't interested in Kinect, and I assure you they are, if not more than Casuals. But they're disappointed that there's no games for them.
I dunno, I really couldn't tell you if most are core gamers. I just know the 360 is very good at selling core games. Exactly at what point does someone go from casual to core? I notice a lot of people basically just play Halo and CoD. Are they casual? Or are they core because they play a couple core games? I just dunno.
All I can say is the Kinect isn't being marketed to core gamers. You've seen the line up and clearly MS isn't misleading anyone. To the contrary, the Move is intended for core gamers but it offers little core games. The only core games we'll be seeing in the near future just have Move support patched in.
By the way, MS said this about the Kinect... 'We want to try and do something different than the Wii, different than wands and hands, something that’s magical, that takes away the abstraction, and I want a bunch of new types of games created.' And you’re just seeing the first generation of stuff. So, this is really about doing an 'and' thing for us. Getting new types of genres, new types of customers, and then continuing to serve the core with great games."
So because you played with a Wii which doesn't compare to Move's accuracy and you made a judgement off of that. You're thinking core games will have the same effect on PS3, but that's wrong, since each console has a different audience.
Accuracy isn't the issue with the Wii, I just don't think motion controls improve the experience of core games. And I have no reason to believe the Move will change that.
Let me guess, you're one of those people who believed those BS charts from Microsoft. $99 Move bundle 1 controller matches the price of your Kinect. The Navigation controller is not required for any game yet, and since you're going on and on for casuals, they probably won't even get it since it's mainly for Shooters. And Multiplayer gaming? You really shouldn't even go there, considering Kinect only actively tracks 2 people. And I don't know why you say we both know it doesnt have the attention of the masses, I've only really heard good things about the Move towards its core games, and casuals will have fun with it too. It's receiving great press from many game sites, but you wouldn't want to say that, now would you?
No, I figured out the Move is expensive when Sony announced the prices. I imagine some games adding Move support will need the Navigation control. I can't imagine playing RE5 with just the Move remote.
I'm not sure how many people the Kinect can track. They claimed 6 before. Games right now only do two. We'll have to wait and see what comes down the road. Regardless, two players on Move games will require two Move controllers. So you'll need the Move bundle and a extra Move remote. That's a $150, the same price as the Kinect.
I wasn't aware the Move was receiving press. The Move being in the news is news to me.
You're right about the Wii and the Move. For casuals, they'll be competing against each other on price. But the PS3 base can make the Move succeed all by its own if Sony markets it correctly. You're assuming people will buy the Kinect simply because of the technology, but you forget that for people who already own a Wii, another $300 out of their pocket would seem unreasonable, innovative technology or not, especially with the lineup of games being so similar to the Wii.
Markets it correctly? I'm curious when they'll actually start marketing it. Looks like they are hoping for word of mouth right now.
You know, it isn't that uncommon for people to own multiple gaming consoles. And if people already own a Wii, they'll obviously be more intrigued by the Kinect than the Move.
And if they buy the 360, not only will they have innovative motion technology. But they also have a shit ton of great 360 games to choose from that aren't on the Wii. Wii owners gotta upgrade to HD gaming some day.
What I do know is that lately there have been coverage of bugs of the Kinect software from not only this site, but others as well. Yes, it's getting more press, but that could also harm it if people think it's not as great as it seems.
I've seen plenty of videos of the Kinect working great. The only video I've seen it not work is that infamous Japanese stage video. I still think the flashing lights were probably interfering with the Kinect. For the most part it seems to work great so I won't judge it based on that video.
By that logic, Kinect just lost a major part of the base it should be appealing to as well as Casuals. Now Microsoft will have to compete dirrectly with the Wii, which like I said, will be tough.
No, the core audience will keep getting what made them fans of the 360. And if they are interested in what the Kinect offers, they can get that too. On top of that, Kinect will bring new people to the 360. Everybody wins!
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