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damndl0ser said:
unknown_soul89 said:
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cmeese47 said:

Kinect not working right is bad for flame wars but not exactly bad for sales. I fully agree that the controls on the Wii dont always work right and it is a huge success. But then again Microsoft built their foundation with core gamers, the 360 was a faulty piece of hardware but coming out a year early with early core exclusives and a great controller and innovative XBL they succeeded. I don't know if the 360 can handle both markets but it looks like they are going to try.

I know this is a little off topic but great controller? XBL innovative? They copied the ps3 controller (or rather ps2) then changed it around enough to avoid getting sued and claimed it was better or more ergonomic or whatever which was just pure marketing BS as for XBL being innovative, it was not maybe on xbox original it was but the same thing can't be innovative twice in a row 


19 posts and lots of those are anti 360.  Keep up the good work mate!  You fit right in around here...

On topic, as long as the Kinect is fun to play and the controls aren't broken enough that it takes you out of the "experience" it will do fine.

When I give Kinect a try to be honest I don't expect it to be perfect.  From all of the demos I have seen most people seem to be enjoying theirselves and having fun.  If for some reason they aren't being picked up by the device or it has a little lag doesn't seem to bring them out of the devises fun factor.  This is what I will be judging it on.

Hopefully the device will continue to develop into something that has little to no flaws in it.  Microsoft will continue to work on it and I am certain that eventually they will get it right with future updates either way.

Took 5 years for them to fix the cooling system on the 360, I wouldn't hold my breath

Actually it was taken care of by the time the Falcon Chipset came out maybe sooner.  I think that was in 2007. 

If falcon fixed the problem why did they come out with the jasper, because it didn't, it made the problem less frequent by some marginal amount but it didn't fix it, and the jasper didn't fix it either, it was as bad but it was still unacceptably high, the thing is by the time the jasper came out the warranty was out for awhile and everyone was used to their 360s failing so jaspers that failed didn't exactly get alot of attention, so no the falcon model didn't fix the problem, MS just pretended it did, like they pretended the jasper did, like they pretended the only reason there were problems were because of launch issues and it's not the model like they pretended they were within industry standards, you have to stop believing things MS says 


Since you obviously know everything, please show me some statistics. Thanks in advance....

2010 study http://www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2010.php

puts 360 failrate at 42% overall, and ps3s at 8%, the margin for error for this type of study would be about 5% (look up what makes these accurate or inaccurate if you don't believe me, and that 5% goes both ways not just the way you want it to) if the falcon model fixed the problem like you claimed then the overall failrate would have been lower 


An online poll isn't exactly proof.  

1) This did not break down the percentage of launch model 360's vs. Falcon and Jasper etc...

Surely you could do better when someone puts you on the spot.  I would have at least looked harder or not responded, instead of looking foolish....

Dude thats the only recent accurate study out there, the poll is accurate despite what you want to believe, if you don't think so, show me a 2010 study that you consider proof 



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Since that takes so much space you can reply to this one and save everyone the scrolling effect that is quotes.

 

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Accurate study?  SHEEESH, you can come up with something better surely.

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I am not the one with something to prove.  If I go into a thread spouting shit about x console, I am the one that is required to back up what I said.  I have no plans on doing your job for you mate.

 

But it is fun messing with people like you.  It must be driving you nuts by this point.



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

damndl0ser said:

Since that takes so much space you can reply to this one and save everyone the scrolling effect that is quotes.

I am not the one with something to prove.  If I go into a thread spouting shit about x console, I am the one that is required to back up what I said.  I have no plans on doing your job for you mate.

 

But it is fun messing with people like you.  It must be driving you nuts by this point.

I proved it you ignored the proof like a good xbot, you ignore the truth and believe BS anything that doesn't agree with MS you say it isn't proof with nothing to back it up, so yes you do have something to prove, you have to prove my evidence wrong, and you haven't so either admit you are wrong, find something to prove me wrong, or live in denial and believe that MS is god but don't talk to me again if you do that one 

EDIT: Don't claim something isn't accurate if you can't back it up



Good god man, you proved nothing by posting an online poll.  Anyone with half a brain cell will tell you that they aren't exactly scientific.  But hay, if it makes you feel better, you got me.  LOL.

 

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Oh ya I forgot to mention, I am not exactly an xbot.  I do enjoy playing the 360 more than the other consoles but you will never hear me talking shit about any of the others.  If I have said something negative about x console you can rest assured it wasn't because I like the 360 feel the need to slam the console because of that.

I owned a PS3 in the past and have played the Wii extensively.  Both of those consoles are very fun to play and each one of them has their strengths and weaknesses.   And once the PS3 has another price drop I will own one again.  Cheers..



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

damndl0ser said:

Good god man, you proved nothing by posting an online poll.  Anyone with half a brain cell will tell you that they aren't exactly scientific.  But hay, if it makes you feel better, you got me.  LOL.

And anyone who knows anything would know that the way they did this poll makes it accurate, people always say online polls aren't accurate, but thats just an assumption they don't have any proof that online polls aren't accurate here read this

http://www.ehow.com/how_4500487_calculate-margin-error.html tells you how to tell how accurate a poll is 

also I think you missed this the first time around 

UPDATE

Due to overwhelming demand in regards to questions about this survey (our PR man is pulling what's left of his hair out) - we have decided to post answers to the most frequently asked questions on this page.

Was the survey only on No Fuss Reviews?
No, it was mainly delivered from No Fuss Reviews but also other satellite sites we own.

How long was the survey conducted over?
The survey was conducted over 280 days. It started on the 7th of July 2009.

Under what criteria was the survey presented?
It was presented at a 1/3 random basis to any person who:
a) arrived at our site from any search engine looking for any console specific game
b) had not already taken the survey

How many submissions were logged?
In total we measured 512,322 submissions, we discarded submissions in our final result after the 500,000 mark.

What was the demographic of the survey?
35% answered questions relating to the Wii
34% answered questions relating to the PS3
31% answered questions relating to the 360

How did you try to stop duplicate submissions?
We asked for users to enter their email address and this was stored in our database for the sole purpose of checking for duplicate submissions.
We also applied a session limiter, which only allowed users to take the survey once during a browser session. Finally we used randomised cookies to store the fact a user had taken the survey again to try to prevent duplicate submissions.
If users entered a duplicate submission they were not notified. The survey also relied on Javascript.

 

How was the survey presented?
The survey was presented in a 'lightbox' dialogue as 'opt-in'.
The survey questions were presented one at a time depending on the previous answer.

Was any other information collected?
IP addresses and browser versions were measured live to try and prevent 'bots' from taking the forms or predefined scripts.



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damndl0ser said:

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Oh ya I forgot to mention, I am not exactly an xbot.  I do enjoy playing the 360 more than the other consoles but you will never hear me talking shit about any of the others.  If I have said something negative about x console you can rest assured it wasn't because I like the 360 feel the need to slam the console because of that.

I owned a PS3 in the past and have played the Wii extensively.  Both of those consoles are very fun to play and each one of them has their strengths and weaknesses.   And once the PS3 has another price drop I will own one again.  Cheers..

You ignore the fact that 360 has a horrible failrate, you probably ignore the fact that it's "exclusives" have in the past ended up on other platforms or the PC has been the lead platform, it's online is the same as psn except for cross game chat and the price and you probably think alot of multiplats are exclusive, that makes you an xbot 



unknown_soul89 said:
damndl0ser said:

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Oh ya I forgot to mention, I am not exactly an xbot.  I do enjoy playing the 360 more than the other consoles but you will never hear me talking shit about any of the others.  If I have said something negative about x console you can rest assured it wasn't because I like the 360 feel the need to slam the console because of that.

I owned a PS3 in the past and have played the Wii extensively.  Both of those consoles are very fun to play and each one of them has their strengths and weaknesses.   And once the PS3 has another price drop I will own one again.  Cheers..

You ignore the fact that 360 has a horrible failrate, you probably ignore the fact that it's "exclusives" have in the past ended up on other platforms or the PC has been the lead platform, it's online is the same as psn except for cross game chat and the price and you probably think alot of multiplats are exclusive, that makes you an xbot 


I haven't ignored a thing, I do know that the failure rate was horrid.  I have never posted anywhere on this or any other forum to deny this.

What does the other tripe you posted have to do with me?  I was confronting you on your shitty attempt to give me information about the falcon and jasper chipsets.  And when the RROD problem was brought under control.  Somehow you have gotten side tracked into la la land.

As for your post above this one, I did read how the poll was conducted on the original link ( I CAN READ ) and that still proves nothing to me and I would imagine the rest of us on the forums.  

Anyone can post a bullshit poll over the internet and then post below it that it must be correct because of yadda yadda.  Unfortunately some foolish people believe it.  

So lets summarize this for you since you have already forgotten what I said.

1) Your link proves nothing.

2) Your link is not Scientific

3) Feable minds believe anything.

4) I am done responding to someone with a 20-30 post count that does nothing other than bash.



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

damndl0ser said:
unknown_soul89 said:
damndl0ser said:

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Oh ya I forgot to mention, I am not exactly an xbot.  I do enjoy playing the 360 more than the other consoles but you will never hear me talking shit about any of the others.  If I have said something negative about x console you can rest assured it wasn't because I like the 360 feel the need to slam the console because of that.

I owned a PS3 in the past and have played the Wii extensively.  Both of those consoles are very fun to play and each one of them has their strengths and weaknesses.   And once the PS3 has another price drop I will own one again.  Cheers..

You ignore the fact that 360 has a horrible failrate, you probably ignore the fact that it's "exclusives" have in the past ended up on other platforms or the PC has been the lead platform, it's online is the same as psn except for cross game chat and the price and you probably think alot of multiplats are exclusive, that makes you an xbot 


I haven't ignored a thing, I do know that the failure rate was horrid.  I have never posted anywhere on this or any other forum to deny this.

What does the other tripe you posted have to do with me?  I was confronting you on your shitty attempt to give me information about the falcon and jasper chipsets.  And when the RROD problem was brought under control.  Somehow you have gotten side tracked into la la land.

As for your post above this one, I did read how the poll was conducted on the original link ( I CAN READ ) and that still proves nothing to me and I would imagine the rest of us on the forums.  

Anyone can post a bullshit poll over the internet and then post below it that it must be correct because of yadda yadda.  Unfortunately some foolish people believe it.  

So lets summarize this for you since you have already forgotten what I said.

1) Your link proves nothing.

2) Your link is not Scientific

3) Feable minds believe anything.

4) I am done responding to someone with a 20-30 post count that does nothing other than bash.

Under control and fixed is too entirely different things, and the only reason the jasper and falcon got it under control was the 3 year warrenty without that it wouldn't have been and the fact it proves nothing to you just means you ignored the evidence for no reason other then you don't think it's right 

1. yes it does, you are just ignoring the proof

2. prove it 

3. yes you have proved that 

4. so your going with option 3 that I provided you then (continue to live in denial and think MS is god and leave me alone)



Notice thatt all the NON-gaming coverage, and even a very sizable amount of gaming coverage is on Kinect, that those other platforms...hmmm....let me see....



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

Ok back on topic here... Good thread. Im personally of the wait and see mindset on Kinect, both for myself and in terms of thinking about sales.