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Mr Khan on 31 July 2010

We really never stop to think how infinitely complex holding all of this together is.



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Jdevil3 on 31 July 2010

According to this link:

http://inetcore.com/project/ipv4ec/index_en.html

 

We only have around 228.109.000 IPs left... and 339 days before we run out of IPs.

 

Now... what will happen in 339 days when we run out of IP addresses? Will we have to wait for other people to get offline when we want to get online? or will the internet just not work anymore? or what? xD



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Rath on 31 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:

Can anyone explain to me this whole Y2K theory?  What was supposed to happen on January the 1st 2000?


Dates were meant to get messed up basically. Computers were designed to count the last two numbers in the year so '99 would either tick back over to 1900 or go to 19100. Was largely averted by the fact that people saw it coming.



Ninten78 on 01 August 2010
Jdevil3 said:

According to this link:

http://inetcore.com/project/ipv4ec/index_en.html

 

We only have around 228.109.000 IPs left... and 339 days before we run out of IPs.

 

Now... what will happen in 339 days when we run out of IP addresses? Will we have to wait for other people to get offline when we want to get online? or will the internet just not work anymore? or what? xD

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Ninten78 on 01 August 2010
Mr Khan said:

We really never stop to think how infinitely complex holding all of this together is.


Exactly and another issue what happens when we reach the year 10 000? PC's cant hold 5 digit years? will it reset to 1000? Or crash? (I know this is thousand of years away)



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Soleron on 01 August 2010
Ninten78 said:
Mr Khan said:

We really never stop to think how infinitely complex holding all of this together is.


Exactly and another issue what happens when we reach the year 10 000? PC's cant hold 5 digit years? will it reset to 1000? Or crash? (I know this is thousand of years away)


You should be more worried about what's going to happen in 2038. Y2K affects Windows computers; the 2038 bug affects Unix computers, which make up a lot of key embedded hardware that doesn't usually get replaced.

Unix time is stored as the number of second since January 1, 1970. This is usually a 32-bit integer so will wrap around to 1970 again in 2038. The solution is to upgrade every single computer using it to 64-bit hardware and software before that date. Easy for desktop computers, but some critical embedded hardware could be ignored for that long just like for Y2K.



NJ5 on 01 August 2010
Jdevil3 said:

According to this link:

http://inetcore.com/project/ipv4ec/index_en.html

 

We only have around 228.109.000 IPs left... and 339 days before we run out of IPs.

 

Now... what will happen in 339 days when we run out of IP addresses? Will we have to wait for other people to get offline when we want to get online? or will the internet just not work anymore? or what? xD


We won't run out of IP addresses in 339 days. We will run out of unallocated IP addresses.

There will still be plenty of unused IP addresses. How hard it will be to distribute those unused addressses, and how long until we entirely run out of addresses are much harder questions.

Hopefully IpV6 will help, but as far as I know most routers/modems people have at their homes don't support it. I know my router doesn't.

There will have to be a serious effort from ISPs and router manufacturers to get everyone ready for IpV6.



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Soleron on 01 August 2010
NJ5 said:
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We won't run out of IP addresses in 339 days. We will run out of unallocated IP addresses.

Yes. And the next RIR that needs an /8 block is going to be pretty stuck, because it won't have any IP addresses to give out unless something is done then. That event should happen within 6 months of those 339 days. Still not a lot of time.

There will still be plenty of unused IP addresses. How hard it will be to distribute those unused addressses, and how long until we entirely run out of addresses are much harder questions.

Agreed. If nothing whatsoever is done though (and that seems likely), real problems are within about a year and a half of now.

Hopefully IpV6 will help, but as far as I know most routers/modems people have at their homes don't support it. I know my router doesn't.

Yes, and every single device running IPv4 has to be replaced in order to make IPv6 work, otherwise the people who are assigned only IPv6 addresses won't be able to communicate with them (a fragmented internet).

There will have to be a serious effort from ISPs and router manufacturers to get everyone ready for IpV6.

And that effort needs to start about... five years ago? It's now certain there will be pain, but the degree of pain is unknown.





dahuman on 01 August 2010

I'm not too concerned about it since if we run out of actual usable IPv4 addresses, they'd have no choice but to move to IPv6, and it probably won't even get to that point before we move to the newer tech.



Soleron on 01 August 2010
dahuman said:

I'm not too concerned about it since if we run out of actual usable IPv4 addresses, they'd have no choice but to move to IPv6, and it probably won't even get to that point before we move to the newer tech.

IPv6 penetration is no more than a couple of percent of all devices. We WILL get to that point.

And again, even if new people are 'forced' to use IPv6, they won't be able to communicate with any server stuck on IPv4. Which could be most of them.