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oldschoolfool on 26 July 2010
Soleron said:
oldschoolfool said:
megaman79 said:

Agreed @ the need for Wikileaks. Governments should not be run by PR agencies.


So national security should be comprimised for the sake of knowing.


Absolutely. Anything done by the government or its contractors should be publicly available unless it infringes the privacy of specific individuals (e.g. police witnesses). If it must be kept secret, the timing on release should be on the order of months after the incident, with no redaction and no exceptions to release.

I disagree. There are some things that the public should just not know. especially when it comes to national security. I don't want to know everything,if it could hurt cause american lives. Wikileaks is not the goverment and it does'nt run the war. Why is the founder of wikileaks even holding a press conference,who the hell does he think he is. I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree with you.



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oldschoolfool on 26 July 2010
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:

Makes you wonder why anyone wanted this war in the first place... Afghanistan doesn't have oil, the population is made up of a ton of different tribes that don't probably don't want to be united for or against anything, and the number of terrorists only increases when innocents are getting killed after NATO sticks its military dick in places that don't want it.

The only ones profiting out of this is the military-industrial complex. I guess that answers my question.


Nobody wanted this war,it was the terrorist that wanted this war. The U.S. did'nt start anything. Not every war is as sinister as you would believe.

 

If the terrorists wanted it, why did "we" give them the satisfaction?


So when terrorists attack your home soil,your supposed to sit back and do nothing. I'm talking about 9/11. I'd rather have the American military fight on there home turf,then have another 9/11. It's better to take the fight to them,rather then set back and do nothing.

 

What's "their home turf"? There are probably terrorists planning attacks against the US living in the US right now.

Do you still believe that killing innocent civilians and constantly disrespecting other nations' sovereignty with acts like these is the path to eliminate terrorism? Do you not see how it makes terrorists stronger rather than weaker?

Colleteral damage is a part of war. It's unavoidable. It's unfourtnate,but that's just the way it is. What about the terrorists blowing up civilians with IED's on a daily basis and using them as human sheilds. Nobody seem's to talk about that. So were just suppose to sit back and do nothing,because it makes terrorist stronger. You know how many wars we would have lost,if we thought that way. The terrorist would even be stronger if we did nothing at all.



megaman79 on 26 July 2010
oldschoolfool said:

I disagree. There are some things that the public should just not know. RIDICULOUS, especially when it is concerning the deaths of thousands of people.  I don't want to know everything,if it could hurt cause american lives Not proven, and regardless WE have a right to know even if it is a risk to soldiers lives, Julian said it himself, they have EVERY RIGHT to be angry about the deaths of innocent civilians. 

Wikileaks is not the goverment and it does'nt run the war. Why is the founder of wikileaks even holding a press conference,who the hell does he think he is. I think he's performing a Journalists duty, to inform us of the facts when noone else will. I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree with you.


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NJ5 on 26 July 2010
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:

Makes you wonder why anyone wanted this war in the first place... Afghanistan doesn't have oil, the population is made up of a ton of different tribes that don't probably don't want to be united for or against anything, and the number of terrorists only increases when innocents are getting killed after NATO sticks its military dick in places that don't want it.

The only ones profiting out of this is the military-industrial complex. I guess that answers my question.


Nobody wanted this war,it was the terrorist that wanted this war. The U.S. did'nt start anything. Not every war is as sinister as you would believe.

 

If the terrorists wanted it, why did "we" give them the satisfaction?


So when terrorists attack your home soil,your supposed to sit back and do nothing. I'm talking about 9/11. I'd rather have the American military fight on there home turf,then have another 9/11. It's better to take the fight to them,rather then set back and do nothing.

 

What's "their home turf"? There are probably terrorists planning attacks against the US living in the US right now.

Do you still believe that killing innocent civilians and constantly disrespecting other nations' sovereignty with acts like these is the path to eliminate terrorism? Do you not see how it makes terrorists stronger rather than weaker?

Colleteral damage is a part of war. It's unavoidable. It's unfourtnate,but that's just the way it is. What about the terrorists blowing up civilians with IED's on a daily basis and using them as human sheilds. Nobody seem's to talk about that. So were just suppose to sit back and do nothing,because it makes terrorist stronger. You know how many wars we would have lost,if we thought that way. The terrorist would even be stronger if we did nothing at all.


You can't win a war against an invisible enemy which can easily disappear. It's hard to call it a war in the first place, as a war needs a defined enemy.

A war without a clear objective always fails. As the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan makes it clear. It's like whack-a-mole, you kill one terrorist and two more jump up somewhere else. What's more, you're encouraging people to hate you and become terrorists.



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sapphi_snake on 26 July 2010
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:

Makes you wonder why anyone wanted this war in the first place... Afghanistan doesn't have oil, the population is made up of a ton of different tribes that don't probably don't want to be united for or against anything, and the number of terrorists only increases when innocents are getting killed after NATO sticks its military dick in places that don't want it.

The only ones profiting out of this is the military-industrial complex. I guess that answers my question.


Nobody wanted this war,it was the terrorist that wanted this war. The U.S. did'nt start anything. Not every war is as sinister as you would believe.

 

If the terrorists wanted it, why did "we" give them the satisfaction?


So when terrorists attack your home soil,your supposed to sit back and do nothing. I'm talking about 9/11. I'd rather have the American military fight on there home turf,then have another 9/11. It's better to take the fight to them,rather then set back and do nothing.


Terrorist attacks are a stupid reason to start a war and are generally just a pretext (see WWI).



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oldschoolfool on 26 July 2010
megaman79 said:
oldschoolfool said:

I disagree. There are some things that the public should just not know. RIDICULOUS, especially when it is concerning the deaths of thousands of people.  I don't want to know everything,if it could hurt cause american lives Not proven, and regardless WE have a right to know even if it is a risk to soldiers lives, Julian said it himself, they have EVERY RIGHT to be angry about the deaths of innocent civilians. 

Wikileaks is not the goverment and it does'nt run the war. Why is the founder of wikileaks even holding a press conference,who the hell does he think he is. I think he's performing a Journalists duty, to inform us of the facts when noone else will. I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree with you.


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We don't have the right to know if it risk national security and risk American lives,to say other wise is just selfish and wrong. I agree that collertal damage is unfortunate and it sucks,but it's an unavoidable part of war. I'll go back to the terrorist blowing up civilans with IED's and killing soilder's. How about we get angry about that. Let's not make the solider's that are risking there lives everyday for our national securtiy out to be the bad guys here.



megaman79 on 26 July 2010
oldschoolfool said:


We don't have the right to know if it risk national security and risk American lives,to say other wise is just selfish and wrong. I agree that collertal damage is unfortunate and it sucks,but it's an unavoidable part of war. I'll go back to the terrorist blowing up civilans with IED's and killing soilder's. How about we get angry about that. Let's not make the solider's that are risking there lives everyday for our national securtiy out to be the bad guys here.

If you don't think theres value in knowing, and furthermore changing, the mistakes made during war you're simply wrong.

And you tell the mother whos children were bombed, by a misdirected Drone craft or mortar, that collateral damage is unavoidable.



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NJ5 on 26 July 2010

OK I see that this is turning into a "why do you hate the soldiers?" type of conversation, which is a good time to jump out of it.



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oldschoolfool on 26 July 2010
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:
oldschoolfool said:
NJ5 said:

Makes you wonder why anyone wanted this war in the first place... Afghanistan doesn't have oil, the population is made up of a ton of different tribes that don't probably don't want to be united for or against anything, and the number of terrorists only increases when innocents are getting killed after NATO sticks its military dick in places that don't want it.

The only ones profiting out of this is the military-industrial complex. I guess that answers my question.


Nobody wanted this war,it was the terrorist that wanted this war. The U.S. did'nt start anything. Not every war is as sinister as you would believe.

 

If the terrorists wanted it, why did "we" give them the satisfaction?


So when terrorists attack your home soil,your supposed to sit back and do nothing. I'm talking about 9/11. I'd rather have the American military fight on there home turf,then have another 9/11. It's better to take the fight to them,rather then set back and do nothing.

 

What's "their home turf"? There are probably terrorists planning attacks against the US living in the US right now.

Do you still believe that killing innocent civilians and constantly disrespecting other nations' sovereignty with acts like these is the path to eliminate terrorism? Do you not see how it makes terrorists stronger rather than weaker?

Colleteral damage is a part of war. It's unavoidable. It's unfourtnate,but that's just the way it is. What about the terrorists blowing up civilians with IED's on a daily basis and using them as human sheilds. Nobody seem's to talk about that. So were just suppose to sit back and do nothing,because it makes terrorist stronger. You know how many wars we would have lost,if we thought that way. The terrorist would even be stronger if we did nothing at all.


You can't win a war against an invisible enemy which can easily disappear. It's hard to call it a war in the first place, as a war needs a defined enemy.

A war without a clear objective always fails. As the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan makes it clear. It's like whack-a-mole, you kill one terrorist and two more jump up somewhere else. What's more, you're encouraging people to hate you and become terrorists.


So we should just throw our hands up in the air and give up. I'm sorry but I disagree with that passive approach. So,should we let all of the criminals do what the want. When you arrest a criminal another one pops up and another one and so on. You go after the criminal and the one after that and the one after that and so on. Just because there's a steady flow of criminals and terriosts,does'nt mean you sit back and do nothing,when they use terriosims to hurt and kill innocent people.



oldschoolfool on 26 July 2010
NJ5 said:

OK I see that this is turning into a "why do you hate the soldiers?" type of conversation, which is a good time to jump out of it.



I'll just have to respectfully disagree with your point of view. I'm also going to jump out of this thread. Hope all is well. lol