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binary solo said:
AussieGecko said:

yet it doesnt count BECAUSE how is it fair that ps3 get their release numbers and 360 doesnt, i think its fair as it is. Makes sense, then ps3 gets to keep their release numbers and everybody is happy

At the time PS3 first launched (Japan 12 Nov 2006) 360 was already selling worldwide. Kowenicki's comparison is based on sales from when PS3 came on to market to the current date. Given those parameters, 360's release numbers don't factor in to this thread.

But the issue isn't one of "fairness" it's about what is the most accurate reflection of the sales comparison within the parameters set in the OP. If the thread is meant to be looking at PS360 sales during the time PS3 and 360 have been directly competing, is it accurate to include 360 sales in markets where PS3 was not yet available?


so ps3 gets boosts from all hardware zones (because of entrances in those markets) and that is looked on as normal? No the way kowenicki has done it has cancelled both situations out.

P.S. Last time i will comment about this because i feel i am repeating myself in this thread about the matter.

Kudos to kowenicki for a great thread :D



 

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Who would have thought that when 360 launched.



Makaha said:

but how come people always combine the 360 and PS3 hardware sales together to compare with the Wii?

 

that's not very fair, and it seems kinda pointless

 

compare either the 360 OR the PS3 to the Wii, not combined PS360

 

 

either that or just admit that the Wii just wiped it's ass with the 360 and the PS3

 

 

Well is it fair for some ninty-fans to call those consoles "HD-twins"? If they are twins, then why not count them together? ;)

Like.. they do share many games which aren't on the wii.



ph4nt said:
c0rd said:
Mummelmann said:
jarrod said:
Joel12345 said:

HD twins beating wii so all is good :D

Actually, they're not since PS3 launch... and that's two weeks before Wii even launched...

 

  • 360 = 36,112,859
  • PS3 = 36,033,462
  • HD = 72,146,321
  • Wii = 72,706,242

Quite a feat beating two competitors at once. This won't last though, the Wii has been steadily losing market share for well over a year and the rate in which its happening is only accelerating with the Wii only 25k in front of the PS3 last week and no signs of any big changes soon. Let us also not forget that the PS2 will, by the end of its lifetime, probably have tripled the combined sales of its peer consoles which takes away a little part of the glory (yes, the market has grown and changed but that actually makes the PS2 accomplishment even more incredible). The DS is also a lot more impressing saleswise, I'm truly curious as to where that monster will end up in lifetime sales. 170 million? More? Crazy stuff.

Well, the thing is, Nintendo's victory is best seen in the financials - the Wii making billions while its competitors are swimming in red to keep up. The Wii will have made far more money than the PS2, or any home console, at the end of its life. It's not as pretty or straightforward to us as sales, but it's what Nintendo has been going for, so...


I'm pretty sure the Wii already exceeded the PS2 profits years ago.

If you mean Nintendo has done better overall even including the PS2 then sure, probably, the PS3 costs alone probably did that never mind the money in HW/SW the Wii has generated.

But if you're talking the PS2 on it's own in terms of its HW/SW sales then that seems doubtful vs Wii's LTD so far that seems doubtful to me.  The PS2 sold at a profit for ages (still is in fact) and it shifted huge amounts of SW.  I expecially doubt that the Wii years ago, with say 35 or 40 million sold, was outperforming a console with well over 100M units sold in a direct apples to apples comparison.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

LOL! Yeah them fans of SONY are quick to start whining! I mean, with their over analyzing and not being able to see the core of the topic. I mean, its not like anyone else did the same thing just a few days ago :D

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3542223

Whatever happend to this..

kowenicki said:
kitler53 said:

...or just give up on being "fair" and reconise the gist of kowenicki's points...

thank you.. exactly my point.

.. back then?

Or the..

kowenicki said:


it isnt a better idea.. its boring.

this was just a fun thread which you are trying your best to ruin with over anaysis.

but not to worry if you want to go down that path, just do what you just did there again in about 2 months.   

Hahaha :D Oh well..

OT: Good numbers, which is why its still amazing that the Playstation 2 has outsold both of the PS3 and 360 since the start of this gen. And has done 30m since the release of the PS3. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=113271



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kowenicki said:


totally different.

one was misleading in the extreme this one isnt.

one was designed to bring piece and haromny.. that one wasnt.

 

Hehe aight! ;D



With this and Seece's thread on Wii v PS360 it does make you wonder, if the HD twins really did figure out the casual markets and especially now the price of these consoles are now closer than ever to the Wii in its hayday if they could take the high ground in a big way.

Of course the problem with statements like the one I have just made is that this assumes Nintendo will do nothing.



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Mummelmann said:
kowenicki said:
ph4nt said:
c0rd said:
Mummelmann said:
jarrod said:
Joel12345 said:

HD twins beating wii so all is good :D

Actually, they're not since PS3 launch... and that's two weeks before Wii even launched...

 

  • 360 = 36,112,859
  • PS3 = 36,033,462
  • HD = 72,146,321
  • Wii = 72,706,242

Quite a feat beating two competitors at once. This won't last though, the Wii has been steadily losing market share for well over a year and the rate in which its happening is only accelerating with the Wii only 25k in front of the PS3 last week and no signs of any big changes soon. Let us also not forget that the PS2 will, by the end of its lifetime, probably have tripled the combined sales of its peer consoles which takes away a little part of the glory (yes, the market has grown and changed but that actually makes the PS2 accomplishment even more incredible). The DS is also a lot more impressing saleswise, I'm truly curious as to where that monster will end up in lifetime sales. 170 million? More? Crazy stuff.

Well, the thing is, Nintendo's victory is best seen in the financials - the Wii making billions while its competitors are swimming in red to keep up. The Wii will have made far more money than the PS2, or any home console, at the end of its life. It's not as pretty or straightforward to us as sales, but it's what Nintendo has been going for, so...


I'm pretty sure the Wii already exceeded the PS2 profits years ago.


likely.. and in any event the ps3 spent the ps2 profits plus some..


Actually, I think the PS3 has spent both the PS2 and PS' profits. I seem to recall reading those figures in here somewhere. There's no doubt that Nintendo is the big winner financially this generation, to state otherwise is beyond folly, what I'm getting at is that this gen is a whole lot closer in hardware sales than any other and the PS2 was unique in its domination on the market.

PS: I don't think the Wii exceeded the PS2 profits "years ago" since its only been out about four years (slightly less). No way it made more money in a year or two than the PS2 has over a decade.

More or less, yes.  You can also add PSP in there.

As for Wii vs PS2 profitability, it's tough to tell as Nintendo's making huge returns off DS simultaneously, while Sony had decent profits off PS1 and PSP overlapping PS2's cycle (plus the PS3 moneypit killing it's latter years).   In Wii's favor it was profitable from day one (while PS2 took a loss upfront), and there's no doubt Nintendo's been far, far more profitable on their own software (which brings higher margins than 3rd party licensing), but I just don't think Wii's been around long enough to overtake what PS2 likely made overall.  Again though, there's no sure way to know.



Sony is screwing them selves with move pricing. they should just bundle 2 move controllers an eye-camera and sub controller and just bite the bullet on the PS3 move bundle.

i just don't see the PS3 move bundle doing as-well at it's previously announced price. 

on another note i believe move will do just as good as kinect. 



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