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vlad321 on 23 July 2010
Torillian said:
vlad321 said:
cr00mz said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:

I have no interest in what any of that offers me. 

PC gaming doesnt offer me the most important aspect to me. Ease of use and jump in and play. And as long as Halo is not on PC at launch then I'll never consider it. 

I'm glad you like PC gaming. I dont.


i agree whole heartedly with this.  i enjoyed PC gaming when it worked but PCs are just a hassel to keep up and running.  viruses, drivers, all sorts of other crap.  i swear back when i played WoW i spent as much time fixing my computer as I did actually playing games.

gratz to all those willing to put in the work but i just want to play games and my consoles do just that with ease.

you should probably stay away from emails that say "FREE SEX XXX CLICK GIRLS GIRLS!!!" i dont know what the hell people are doing with their PCs but i havent had a virus in years. and i dont even use a Antivirus program.

I haven't had a vrius since exactly 2004. That wasn't even a virus but some spyware thing that would cause constant popups. It also wasn't even on my PC but the working PC.

Viruses aren't a PC problem, they are an idiot user problem.

Good call dude, just flippantly disregard the issues brought up.  This is the kind of talk that makes people call people like you PC elitists instead of just PC fans.  If you could express your love of PC without sounding like such an annoying pain in the ass maybe people would actually listen to what you have to say instead of tuning you out like the whining of an unwanted mother in law.

Maybe you didn't read the other 2 or 3 posts I made in this thread doing exactly as you said, addressing the issues brought up. Viruses are not an issue, because they are not a PC problem, they are a user problem. If it were a PC problem I would have been getting them all the time, as would have many other people. The fact that there are people who haven't had any sign of a virus for years is proof enough that the user is at fault, not the machine. People just like to blame their PCs because they don't want to blame their momentary, or maybe permanent, idiocy.

You don't see me bitching and whining about how stupid my car is because I ran into a fance. Same deal with viruses and PCs.



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Torillian on 23 July 2010
vlad321 said:
Torillian said:

Good call dude, just flippantly disregard the issues brought up.  This is the kind of talk that makes people call people like you PC elitists instead of just PC fans.  If you could express your love of PC without sounding like such an annoying pain in the ass maybe people would actually listen to what you have to say instead of tuning you out like the whining of an unwanted mother in law.

Maybe you didn't read the other 2 or 3 posts I made in this thread doing exactly as you said, addressing the issues brought up. Viruses are not an issue, because they are not a PC problem, they are a user problem. If it were a PC problem I would have been getting them all the time, as would have many other people. The fact that there are people who haven't had any sign of a virus for years is proof enough that the user is at fault, not the machine. People just like to blame their PCs because they don't want to blame their momentary, or maybe permanent, idiocy.

You don't see me bitching and whining about how stupid my car is because I ran into a fance. Same deal with viruses and PCs.

The fact that there are people who know enough about computers not to get virusses or are just lucky doesn't make everyone who gets them an idiot who opens bad emails. Problems on the PC can happen without opening stupid emails they would happen to me every few months while I was playing WoW rigorously. 

Just writing off everyone who has troubles with viruses and spyware as being an idiot is honestly the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. 

Yer right I don't blame my car when I run into a fence, but what about when it just starts running strangely without any plausible reason?  Damn straight I'll blame the car then.



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shio on 23 July 2010
HappySqurriel said:
Scoobes said:
HappySqurriel said:

Having been a PC and Console gamer since the 1980s I can honestly say that anyone who claims the PC is superior is just delusional. PC gaming is too expensive and there is a lot of time wasted installing and uninstalling games and patching and maintaining the system that takes away from game-play time.

The cost one is dependant on strategy because people will either regularly spend as much as a console to upgrade their system to play games, or periodically spend far more on a new system, and either way the privilege of playing games on the PC typically costs an order of magnitude more than console hardware.

The time one is much more frustrating at this point in my life, because you finally get the game you desire to play and have a couple hours free to play it and you spend that time switching discs to install a game to your hard-drive.

 

This isn’t to say that PC gaming is bad, but for every advantage PC gaming has there is an equal or greater disadvantage; and the disadvantage prevents it from being as popular or enjoyable (to most people) as console gaming.

Thing is, the disadvantages you mention have all been addressed.

The video for one mentioned how you can make massive savings on games which can then go on hardware, and if you're willing to invest in a little time, you can often build/upgrade PCs for relatively cheap.

The time issue has already been addressed by digital downloading. For instance, Starcraft 2 has been available for download even though it's not out yet. You can't play it until it's released, but it's downloaded, installed and waiting for you to play on release. I did the same with Dragon Age: Origins on release with Steam and just loaded it up and played. The character creater was also released before the game so I even had my character ready to go.

Installs, patches and game maintenance are all now handled automatically via programmes such as Steam. As for PC maintenance, you should be doing regular defrags, anti-virus checks, driver updates etc. anyway, so it shouldn't really be an issue as you have to anyway. Plus the consoles now seem to have there own firmware and updates anyway.

 

Your view of PC gaming seems a little dated to be honest, the issues you've raised were a problem 10 yrs ago, but not so much anymore. I haven't even mentioned the advantages of PC gaming and/or Steam as a platform such as mods & open platform, dedicated servers, Ms&Kb for RTS and FPS, download full games and have them (and saves) tied to your account to download and play anywhere, cheap games, better graphics, larger indie scene etc.


I like how my views are "dated" even though they’re still valid. A cheap PC that can play new games will run you around $750 to $1,500 and the cheaper you buy the more often you will need to upgrade. You would need to buy between 50 and 100 games for your PC before the average cost savings per title ($10 to $20 depending on multiple factors) allowed you break even on the sale of the hardware; and about the only time people save money through PC gaming is if they pirate games, which is one of the reasons why so few PC exclusive experiences exist anymore.

If you want to own a physical copy of a game, which I really do if I'm paying full price for a game, you have the same purchasing process as a console game except you’re left with the time consuming process of installing the game.

 

Right now I’m looking into replacing my current PC with something that will play Starcraft 2 and Starwars: The Old Republic at decent levels without needing to upgrade in 12 months when another game comes out; and the price level I’m looking at is between $1,000 and $1,500. Unless there are some remarkable deals announced in the next several weeks, I will probably end up spending more on the graphics card and operating system than a home console; and I will still need a new motherboard, CPU, memory and hard-drive (and I should get a new power-supply and case, along with a new optical drive while I’m at it). I’m not even talking about anything remarkable or exotic, the cost of a Radeon HD5770 and the OEM version of Windows 7 will cost more than a Wii or XBox 360 arcade, and if you don’t get a good deal will cost you more than a PS3 or the good XBox 360.

Your views really are outdated when you think that you need a $1500 PC to play games. Nowadays you can get a GOOD Gaming PC for only $400.

95% of PCs being sold are now under $1000, with most of them also under $750.

Today, $1000 will net you an EXCELLENT GAMING PC!!

My 2003 PC was almost able to play Starcraft 2, 2010's Biggest Game.

You should get yourself updated.



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Akvod on 23 July 2010

Stuff like mods, and having customizable rules and better control over servers is really apealing. One really annoying spawn camper? Ban from server. Overpowered weapon? Don't allow it.

 

Now, games like Killzone 2 did the right thing with giving more player controls, and such things aren't exclusive to the PC (LBP is trying to go user created content).



vlad321 on 23 July 2010
Torillian said:
vlad321 said:
Torillian said:
 

Good call dude, just flippantly disregard the issues brought up.  This is the kind of talk that makes people call people like you PC elitists instead of just PC fans.  If you could express your love of PC without sounding like such an annoying pain in the ass maybe people would actually listen to what you have to say instead of tuning you out like the whining of an unwanted mother in law.

Maybe you didn't read the other 2 or 3 posts I made in this thread doing exactly as you said, addressing the issues brought up. Viruses are not an issue, because they are not a PC problem, they are a user problem. If it were a PC problem I would have been getting them all the time, as would have many other people. The fact that there are people who haven't had any sign of a virus for years is proof enough that the user is at fault, not the machine. People just like to blame their PCs because they don't want to blame their momentary, or maybe permanent, idiocy.

You don't see me bitching and whining about how stupid my car is because I ran into a fance. Same deal with viruses and PCs.

The fact that there are people who know enough about computers not to get virusses or are just lucky doesn't make everyone who gets them an idiot who opens bad emails. Problems on the PC can happen without opening stupid emails they would happen to me every few months while I was playing WoW rigorously. 

Just writing off everyone who has troubles with viruses and spyware as being an idiot is honestly the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. 

Yer right I don't blame my car when I run into a fence, but what about when it just starts running strangely without any plausible reason?  Damn straight I'll blame the car then.


Well the fact that there are people who can't drive either doesn't free them of their reposnability of driving. If you get in a wreck you caused it's because you had a lapse in judgement or didn't know how to drive. It's the exact same principle with the PC and viruses. It just means you do not know how to use a PC well and that's that. You can't blame the PC for something you have done.I have been playing WoW since 2004 all the time and I have still yet to see a virus. Which proves my point exactly, it's your fault that you got your viruses not your PC's. Otherwise I would have seen all these viruses you seem to have been getting.

As for your car running strangely without any given reason, there probably is a reason and it is probably your fault too, you just didn't know it is. If you force it too much, drive it over holes without being careful, yeah it may have strange things which you think you didn't cause, but it's still your fault. Unless it was a manufacturing problem it is highly likely that you shouldn't be blaming your car, but yourself.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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TWRoO on 23 July 2010
shio said:
selnor said:

I have no interest in what any of that offers me. 

PC gaming doesnt offer me the most important aspect to me. Ease of use and jump in and play. And as long as Halo is not on PC at launch then I'll never consider it. 

I'm glad you like PC gaming. I dont.

Actually, it does offer that... ever heard of Steam?

Yesterday I opened Steam for the first time in about a month as I wasnted to screenshot Portal for VGC Most Wanted. I had to wait 10 minutes for Steam to update, then a further 10 minutes for Portal to update. Had I not been online it might have done it without needing to update, but who is likely to be offline nowadays unless there was a power cut or something.

Now this does highlight an advantage of PC gaming in that I was able to get my own screenshot easily without extra kit, however it took long enough, print screen it seems just records black if you use it for a full screen application, and exiting it crashed the game (running it with Photoshop open at the same time meant an atrocious framerate while playing too) I managed to get it though by restarting and playing the game in a window. Including the playing time to get to the bit I wanted (boss fight with GlaDOS) it took me almost 50 minutes to get a screenshot.

Now i'm not going to say PC gaming is terrible, but perhaps you can understand why it is a hassle to people and that there are actually some advantages to console gaming. My personal gripes with PC gaming are numerous.



Torillian on 23 July 2010
vlad321 said:
Torillian said:

The fact that there are people who know enough about computers not to get virusses or are just lucky doesn't make everyone who gets them an idiot who opens bad emails. Problems on the PC can happen without opening stupid emails they would happen to me every few months while I was playing WoW rigorously. 

Just writing off everyone who has troubles with viruses and spyware as being an idiot is honestly the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. 

Yer right I don't blame my car when I run into a fence, but what about when it just starts running strangely without any plausible reason?  Damn straight I'll blame the car then.


Well the fact that there are people who can't drive either doesn't free them of their reposnability of driving. If you get in a wreck you caused it's because you had a lapse in judgement or didn't know how to drive. It's the exact same principle with the PC and viruses. It just means you do not know how to use a PC well and that's that. You can't blame the PC for something you have done.I have been playing WoW since 2004 all the time and I have still yet to see a virus. Which proves my point exactly, it's your fault that you got your viruses not your PC's. Otherwise I would have seen all these viruses you seem to have been getting.

As for your car running strangely without any given reason, there probably is a reason and it is probably your fault too, you just didn't know it is. If you force it too much, drive it over holes without being careful, yeah it may have strange things which you think you didn't cause, but it's still your fault. Unless it was a manufacturing problem it is highly likely that you shouldn't be blaming your car, but yourself.


So the fact that I haven't studied up enough on PC's or cars to not run into these issues makes me an idiot?  Well I'll just go back to my simple console that luckily I can understand, hopefully someone will help me tie my shoes tomorrow morning so I don't trip over the shoe laces all day again.



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vlad321 on 23 July 2010
Torillian said:
vlad321 said:


Well the fact that there are people who can't drive either doesn't free them of their reposnability of driving. If you get in a wreck you caused it's because you had a lapse in judgement or didn't know how to drive. It's the exact same principle with the PC and viruses. It just means you do not know how to use a PC well and that's that. You can't blame the PC for something you have done.I have been playing WoW since 2004 all the time and I have still yet to see a virus. Which proves my point exactly, it's your fault that you got your viruses not your PC's. Otherwise I would have seen all these viruses you seem to have been getting.

As for your car running strangely without any given reason, there probably is a reason and it is probably your fault too, you just didn't know it is. If you force it too much, drive it over holes without being careful, yeah it may have strange things which you think you didn't cause, but it's still your fault. Unless it was a manufacturing problem it is highly likely that you shouldn't be blaming your car, but yourself.


So the fact that I haven't studied up enough on PC's or cars to not run into these issues makes me an idiot?  Well I'll just go back to my simple console that luckily I can understand, hopefully someone will help me tie my shoes tomorrow morning so I don't trip over the shoe laces all day again.

No it just means you don't know enough about cars and PCs to prevent such problems which is fine. Blaming them for your deficiencies though is the sign of the idiot.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Torillian on 23 July 2010
vlad321 said:
Torillian said:
vlad321 said:


Well the fact that there are people who can't drive either doesn't free them of their reposnability of driving. If you get in a wreck you caused it's because you had a lapse in judgement or didn't know how to drive. It's the exact same principle with the PC and viruses. It just means you do not know how to use a PC well and that's that. You can't blame the PC for something you have done.I have been playing WoW since 2004 all the time and I have still yet to see a virus. Which proves my point exactly, it's your fault that you got your viruses not your PC's. Otherwise I would have seen all these viruses you seem to have been getting.

As for your car running strangely without any given reason, there probably is a reason and it is probably your fault too, you just didn't know it is. If you force it too much, drive it over holes without being careful, yeah it may have strange things which you think you didn't cause, but it's still your fault. Unless it was a manufacturing problem it is highly likely that you shouldn't be blaming your car, but yourself.


So the fact that I haven't studied up enough on PC's or cars to not run into these issues makes me an idiot?  Well I'll just go back to my simple console that luckily I can understand, hopefully someone will help me tie my shoes tomorrow morning so I don't trip over the shoe laces all day again.

No it just means you don't know enough about cars and PCs to prevent such problems which is fine. Blaming them for your ignorance though, that's idiotic.

But the point that the PC is more complicated because these issues exist still stands.  The fact that you have to know how not to get virusses is an annoyance that some of us don't want to deal with, and therefore consoles are more plug and play friendly.  If you have to read a "PCs for Dummies" book to not run into these issues then it's already more work than a console.



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cr00mz on 23 July 2010
Torillian said:
vlad321 said:
Torillian said:
 

The fact that there are people who know enough about computers not to get virusses or are just lucky doesn't make everyone who gets them an idiot who opens bad emails. Problems on the PC can happen without opening stupid emails they would happen to me every few months while I was playing WoW rigorously. 

Just writing off everyone who has troubles with viruses and spyware as being an idiot is honestly the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. 

Yer right I don't blame my car when I run into a fence, but what about when it just starts running strangely without any plausible reason?  Damn straight I'll blame the car then.


Well the fact that there are people who can't drive either doesn't free them of their reposnability of driving. If you get in a wreck you caused it's because you had a lapse in judgement or didn't know how to drive. It's the exact same principle with the PC and viruses. It just means you do not know how to use a PC well and that's that. You can't blame the PC for something you have done.I have been playing WoW since 2004 all the time and I have still yet to see a virus. Which proves my point exactly, it's your fault that you got your viruses not your PC's. Otherwise I would have seen all these viruses you seem to have been getting.

As for your car running strangely without any given reason, there probably is a reason and it is probably your fault too, you just didn't know it is. If you force it too much, drive it over holes without being careful, yeah it may have strange things which you think you didn't cause, but it's still your fault. Unless it was a manufacturing problem it is highly likely that you shouldn't be blaming your car, but yourself.


So the fact that I haven't studied up enough on PC's or cars to not run into these issues makes me an idiot?  Well I'll just go back to my simple console that luckily I can understand, hopefully someone will help me tie my shoes tomorrow morning so I don't trip over the shoe laces all day again.


it's pretty simple avoiding viruses, seriously. Dont click strange links, dont download strange files.