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Tanstalas on 21 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Seece said:

distress=/life and death.

If I saw a pregnant woman in THAT kind of situation, yes I would help. Losing whatever amount of money VS saving a pregnant woman from dying ... you need to question yourself if the answer isn't obvious.

I agree and though our country can be ridiculous with lawsuits, no judge would award money in that type of situation.


Well when the  Alexandra Van Horn lawsuit is decided we can see if you are right Xbbjf9s

@Seece - I guess I need to question myself then.  I guess I am more cynical than you.

just read the story, there is something really wrong with this country...if she wins this will change our society for the worse, guess I should get that gun I wanted.


I don't disagree with you.

However, if she loses and has to pay that person whatever amount and ruins her financially..

And the BEST part of it is that they were FRIENDS..

So excuse me if I am being cynical but if FRIENDS sue each other and financially ruin your life, I think I would have to think twice about helping a STRANGER...

Glad people like Seece are around though just in case I do need help, and if I get injured, I can always just sue him :P



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Xbbjf9s on 21 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Seece said:

distress=/life and death.

If I saw a pregnant woman in THAT kind of situation, yes I would help. Losing whatever amount of money VS saving a pregnant woman from dying ... you need to question yourself if the answer isn't obvious.

I agree and though our country can be ridiculous with lawsuits, no judge would award money in that type of situation.


Well when the  Alexandra Van Horn lawsuit is decided we can see if you are right Xbbjf9s

@Seece - I guess I need to question myself then.  I guess I am more cynical than you.

just read the story, there is something really wrong with this country...if she wins this will change our society for the worse, guess I should get that gun I wanted.


I don't disagree with you.

However, if she loses and has to pay that person whatever amount and ruins her financially..

And the BEST part of it is that they were FRIENDS..

So excuse me if I am being cynical but if FRIENDS sue each other and financially ruin your life, I think I would have to think twice about helping a STRANGER...

Glad people like Seece are around though just in case I do need help, and if I get injured, I can always just sue him :P

That's my point, if a "friend" will sue for someone saving her ungreatful life people will think twice about helping a stranger. Imagine how many lives would be lost if we stopped helping each other? If she wins it will open the floodgates for more cases which means more exposure which means less people helping people.



Tanstalas on 21 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Tanstalas said:

I don't disagree with you.

However, if she loses and has to pay that person whatever amount and ruins her financially..

And the BEST part of it is that they were FRIENDS..

So excuse me if I am being cynical but if FRIENDS sue each other and financially ruin your life, I think I would have to think twice about helping a STRANGER...

Glad people like Seece are around though just in case I do need help, and if I get injured, I can always just sue him :P

That's my point, if a "friend" will sue for someone saving her ungreatful life people will think twice about helping a stranger. Imagine how many lives would be lost if we stopped helping each other? If she wins it will open the floodgates for more cases which means more exposure which means less people helping people.

Which has happened in the past I believe already.. and this is why people are already hesitant to help others, people like Seece apparently do not care about themselves or their family, as he is willing to risk the good well being of himself and his family..

Not saying that that is a BAD thing, in fact it is quite the opposite, I just happen to put myself and my family before others, which is human nature, and I am sure the majority of people would do the same as me, even if they will not admit it, as it would make them seem cruel and heartless.

Actually if you have ever seen the scene of an accident you will see 90% people standing around just looking, 5% probably recording or taking pictures and maybe 5% actually helping.

I mean I would call 911, but that is about as far as I would go unless the person was gushing blood then I would do basic stuff like apply pressure to the wound, nothing where I would have to move them or anything that could cause further injury.



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Seece on 21 July 2010
Tanstalas said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Tanstalas said:

I don't disagree with you.

However, if she loses and has to pay that person whatever amount and ruins her financially..

And the BEST part of it is that they were FRIENDS..

So excuse me if I am being cynical but if FRIENDS sue each other and financially ruin your life, I think I would have to think twice about helping a STRANGER...

Glad people like Seece are around though just in case I do need help, and if I get injured, I can always just sue him :P

That's my point, if a "friend" will sue for someone saving her ungreatful life people will think twice about helping a stranger. Imagine how many lives would be lost if we stopped helping each other? If she wins it will open the floodgates for more cases which means more exposure which means less people helping people.

Which has happened in the past I believe already.. and this is why people are already hesitant to help others, people like Seece apparently do not care about themselves or their family, as he is willing to risk the good well being of himself and his family..

Not saying that that is a BAD thing, in fact it is quite the opposite, I just happen to put myself and my family before others, which is human nature, and I am sure the majority of people would do the same as me, even if they will not admit it, as it would make them seem cruel and heartless.

Actually if you have ever seen the scene of an accident you will see 90% people standing around just looking, 5% probably recording or taking pictures and maybe 5% actually helping.

I mean I would call 911, but that is about as far as I would go unless the person was gushing blood then I would do basic stuff like apply pressure to the wound, nothing where I would have to move them or anything that could cause further injury.

"people like Seece apparently do not care about themselves or their family"

What exactly has my family got to do with it? and I don't care about money over life, not that, that would be going through my mind at the time anyway.



 

Tanstalas on 21 July 2010
Seece said:

"people like Seece apparently do not care about themselves or their family"

What exactly has my family got to do with it? and I don't care about money over life, not that, that would be going through my mind at the time anyway.


If you are married with a house that has a white picket fence and a dog, and a freshly manicured lawn with 3 little children and a loving wife.... with a mortgage...

You get sued and lose all your savings plus your wages are garnished to pay for the injury you caused I can almost guarantee that your family will suffer for it ie:Can't pay mortgage on house,, lose your home, etc.  Most marriages fall apart due to money issues which would lead to other stuff, kinda like a domino effect...

Anyhow, that is probably the worst case scenerio.. And like I said, I am a very cynical person, hopefully it wouldn't happen, but I am a very cynical and pessimistic person :)



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Kasz216 on 22 July 2010
Rath said:

I find it stupid that in America there is even the possibility of being sued if you tried to help somebody who needed CPR. I'm glad I don't live in such a litiguous (sp?) society.

Are you sure the same doesn't happen in NZ?  It happens in a lot more countries then the US.



Kasz216 on 22 July 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Tanstalas said:
Seece said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Seece said:

I see the word "accused" not "confirmed" ... so all this hate aimed towards him could be completely unjustified.

That or it was confirmed he walked away ... if so then yeah, Karma got him good.


Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I thought in the US you were innocent till proven guilty...


... in a court of law.  Funny how people forget that last part.

That said... if he did to it... he was on break.

Could he of did something that would of helped?  Maybe.  Maybe not... but he wasn't obligated to. 

If he tried to help but it didn't help... would his insurance cover lawsuits?  They usually don't when your working off the company time.

If he did it... it was a pretty douchey thing to do... but i'm not ready to judge based on a very limited understanding of the situation.

fuck lawsuits, in a matter of life or death (which it clearly was) shit like that goes out the window.


I was about to try and cite a few cases in which people who tried to help someone then got sued by the person they tried to help until dsister said something about the good Samaritan law - so looked it up and in NYC (according to wikipedia) New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency. So in this case I will agree with you, however, the law isn't applicable everywhere and it is defined differently by jurisdiction.

It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

The above paragraph is why people are hesitant to help others in distress.  I never even heard about the good Samaritan law before now, only the horror stories of people being sued into the ground by people that were offered assistance.

"It is all well and good, let me ask you Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?"

Something that pathetic wouldn't happen in this country.

Well, I'm not in YOUR Country, now am I?

I don't give a crap where you are, you asked me a question and I replied.

I was talking about NYC in the paragraph above... ok then..

If you were in the USA: Seece, if you saw someone in distress and you moved them for whatever reason then the person turned around afterwards and sued you because they said that you paralyzed them by moving them and sued you for $1 million or so, bankrupted you and you had nowhere else to go, but had to live on the streets, would you still say the same thing?

distress=/life and death.

If I saw a pregnant woman in THAT kind of situation, yes I would help. Losing whatever amount of money VS saving a pregnant woman from dying ... you need to question yourself if the answer isn't obvious.

I agree and though our country can be ridiculous with lawsuits, no judge would award money in that type of situation.

Except... THEY HAVE.  Both in the USA and UK.



tehsage on 22 July 2010

Can someone here explain to me why I'm required to help someone if they need help? Let's just assume he wasn't on the clock and being paid. 

 

Why is this man "required" to give aid to anyone if he isn't being rewarded for it?



Kasz216 on 22 July 2010
tehsage said:

Can someone here explain to me why I'm required to help someone if they need help? Let's just assume he wasn't on the clock and being paid. 

 

Why is this man "required" to give aid to anyone if he isn't being rewarded for it?


That's what I don't get.  I mean sure it saves lives... but so would forcing doctors to work overtime for free and any other number of things.



Rath on 22 July 2010
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:

I find it stupid that in America there is even the possibility of being sued if you tried to help somebody who needed CPR. I'm glad I don't live in such a litiguous (sp?) society.

Are you sure the same doesn't happen in NZ?  It happens in a lot more countries then the US.


Pretty sure. Accidental injury of that sort would almost certainly be covered by ACC (compulsory nationwide accident insurance) removing the possibility of a civil suit.