Right back atcha mister "I'm going to insult anyone and every one and not even give a good argument". Seriously, if you don't have anything constructive to add, i.e. a way to fix this beyond "you're all effin' idiots, let us socialists rule the you just like we did with USSR!", then stop visiting these types of threads.

Seriously, you should be banned for the insults you've been giving other members.

NPD reported 20,000 more lost jobs last month than VGJobs had! Adjust it now!

Politicians gain NOTHING from using accurate numbers.  Either you cause burden of COLA going up too much, or you look bad for having the misery index too high.

This site goes into more accurated numbers:

http://www.shadowstats.com/

To be honest left wing governments in western europe have been implementing policies which libertarians in the USA have been criticising with success. It's a failure of the governmental system of the USA, not a failure of the idealogy, which is causing huge problems.

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While not necessarily saying that many of the statements made by those who challenge the status quo, I can say that it is interesting that they often do not offer the same level of citation in the sources for their claims that would be expected for scientific rigor.

As for the claim regarding unemployment, in the US it does not measure those who are not seeking employment for any reason (student, home-maker, discouraged, retired). It also does not cover underemployment (you have a job but you are qualified for a better job). I cannot find information as to how someone working part-time is counted -- but my guess is that they are counted as employed, even if they want to be working full-time (this would correspond to another part of the underemployed non-counting).

Mike from Morgantown

That sounds like a conspiracy theory itself...

People need to stop using the argument that socilism could work if people would just impliment it more truely.  It will NEVER work.

Socilism has this weird preassumption that people are basically good and will do what is right.  But time and time aging we have seen that people are easily corrupted by power.  In theroy socialism is amazing. Reality, however, is not made up of gumdrop rain and chocolate rivers. People are lazy when they are not directly responsible for their own survival.

The best form of government is one that views people as the naturally are and stives to make a societal paradigm that best fosters hard work and just reward.  Capitalism, as the governmental ordaned economic system, while not perfect, at least  encourages people to better themselves and form personal responsibility and independence.

when i think of socialism i think of one of the books in the sword of truth seires, though that is exagerated to the extreme

but no duh unemployment rates are wrong, hell didn't just last month we loose like 200k employees to the census being done, and yet our unemployment rate went down instead of up.

oh yea forgot that 250k QUIT looking for jobs, so we actually gained 50k jobs then right?

There are several ways the statistics can be calculated and presented, and governments typically choose the methodology which gives the "Best" picture and is easiest to manipulate.

If people desire full time employment but can only get part time employment, want a permanent position but can only get temporary work, want a job that utilizes their skills/education/experience but can only find more menial work, or are considered a non-participant but want a job your labour market has not fulfilled their needs well. If there portion of your labour market that is made up of these individuals is growing your labour market is getting worse even if the unemployment rate is stable; and (depending on the rate unemployment is falling) it can be argued that the labour market is getting worse even with falling unemployment.

The government has almost no ability to create permanent full time high-skilled positions in the short term, but they do have an amazing ability to create temporary, part time or low skill positions (and the ability to increase the number of non-participants in the economy). If the government accurately tracked the health of the labour market, rather than tracking the unemployment rate, it would be difficult to argue that their manipulation on the economy was effective; and (potentially) easy to argue that it was ineffective or damaging.

Nope. You can't count the tons of homeless people or house wives/husbands who have no interest in looking for work. To do so would incorrectly state the figure too high.