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Two Mafias killed each other. Haha, thats funny.

The good thing is that we now know that there are two different Mafia factions.




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dsister said:

hmm... a new page appeared.

FoS: Godofwar_3ever

HoS: Noname

Vote: Vetteman


Why the random vote?




Soleron said:

OK so Vetteman was voted for yesterday. Same reasoning? What about the others - any reason for Things Of Suspicion?

 

noname2200 said:

 My question is: do we not have a doctor, or did the doctor(s) just decide that Khuutra wasn't worth helping despite his plea?

Red flag! D:

Vetteman94 said:

Maybe this game has a tracker like the last game had that can give us some info.  Also, the cop might have gotten a guilty investigation. 

Even larger red flag! D:

GodOfWar_3ever said:

Now....do we have any more leads ?

I still had more fingers, so I just thought I'd throw this in as well



Sig thanks to Saber! :D 

Well, at least dsister's consistent on a day-to-day basis...



dsister said:
Soleron said:

OK so Vetteman was voted for yesterday. Same reasoning? What about the others - any reason for Things Of Suspicion?

 

Vetteman94 said:

Maybe this game has a tracker like the last game had that can give us some info.  Also, the cop might have gotten a guilty investigation. 

Even larger red flag! D:

So how is that a red flag?



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Vetteman94 said:

So how is that a red flag?

You are fishing for roles. Very scummy indeed



Sig thanks to Saber! :D 

dsister said:
Vetteman94 said:

So how is that a red flag?

You are fishing for roles. Very scummy indeed

I never asked anyone to come forward,  He was wondering about getting information for today,  I gave him a couple possibilities.  Never once did I say that the cop should come forward with his findings from yesterday,  cause that would be stupid.  And I didnt realize that thowing out the idea of a tracker possibly being in this game was a scum tell.  

It seems you are the one that is fishing.



Vetteman94 said:

It seems you are the one that is fishing.

How am I fishing?



Sig thanks to Saber! :D 

I see dsister has completely lost his mind. Having him around in this form will just lead to endlessly chasing our own tails, and not actually accomplishing anything of use. Active Lurking indeed.



Starcraft 2 ID: Gnizmo 229

Going through the already-long thread, I'd like to raise the following posts.  Please keep in mind that I am not accusing anyone of anything yet, only that these posts were the ones which I found most interesting, and so I'd like to have some more conversation about them, if possible.

hatmoza said:

A few thoughts:

No one be surprised by Khuutra's actions. He's a high profile player and I don't blame him for trying to save his own ass. Don't worry about him being mafia and fooling us either because he can't. He will most likely be investigated tonight or on night 2. He's too much a risk if he's anti town so any smart cop will have a result on him right away. All we can hope for is that he is pro-town because he would be a great asset to the town. If guilty, we lynch him and the game goes on.

...

Final-Fan in his 15plus games of playing Mafia has never been lynched! ... Just thought that was a fun fact.

It only strikes me because hatmoza raised the two dead players in the same post, on his own volition.  The reference to Final-Fan in particular was random, as it had nothing to do with the rest of the post.. I'm not particularly suspicious of hatmoza, but I thought this was worth noting because of how unusual it was.

hatmoza said:
You don't understand the tactic behind what Khuutra is doing ... that sly dog Khuutra.
trangentspree said:

I will say I don't think anyone can assure us that Khuutra or any other 'high-profile' player will be investigated at the earliest opportunity.

I was told the exact same thing about WoW in my first game and he was NEVER investigated. (Kind of ironic me making a point about this as WoW did turn out to be pro-town that game whereas I was so thoroughly evil - but the point still stands!)

I don't think Cops like being told where to go at night because it just invites roleblockers to stay the night with them.

Nikells said:
trangentspree said:

I will say I don't think anyone can assure us that Khuutra or any other 'high-profile' player will be investigated at the earliest opportunity.

I don't even think he needs to be investigated (unless he starts acting suspicious.)

Does Khuutra have Dr Xavier like telepathic mind powers or something? Why do all the pro-town power roles have to concentrate on him? I think the cop can risk investigating more suspicious players without worrying about Khuutra unleashing his powerful third-eye mind beam on day 2 and getting us all to lynch each other.

In this series of posts, hatmoza praised Khuutra's calling for a doctor's help because Khuutra is a high-profile player who will be targeted by the mafia (demonstrably true), so he was going to be investigated by a cop Night One anyways.

Meanwhile, Nikells and trangent both pointed out that there are no guarantees that a cop would actually investigate Khuutra, which may or may not be true (if they did, there's obviously zero point in telling us).  Hatmoza never responded to those possibilities, but instead was the first to change the subject to makingmusic.  Granted, mm posted shortly after this exchange, so the change of topic is understandable.

Again, this is not enough to arouse my suspicions, but since we've gone through over 400 posts I'm looking for anything unusual.

theRepublic said:

By the way, has anyone else noticed we already have two people who claim their role "sucks"?  I just thought that was a little odd.

This is true.  Additionally, several people claim that they did not receive their role PM until several hours after the game began, which strikes me as possible but unlikely.  The fact that so many have the same story supports the possibility though.

hatmoza said:

I find it strange that MM ignored me last night and is ignoring us today. Maybe his role doesn't allow him to talk or respond to players about his role.

I want to believe that him never being in the OP was a screw up from nen, so I'll wait for nen to clear things up. If things stay the same after that, I say we lynch the fuck out of MM because Noob Saibot is invisible and is an assassin according to MK Wiki.

*edit: added "about his role"

As established earlier, hatmoza brought up mm in lieu of addressing nikells' and trangent's concerns regarding Khuutra's actions, a topic which was never raised again.  What's odd about this is that this is the first time we ever heard of an "invisible assassin," a role which I could not find in the mafia wiki, and that he was publicly convinced that makingmusic was playing, despite not being listed, and that mm's role "doesn't allow him to talk or respond to players about his role," which again is something I've never heard of.*

He did later explain though that he(hatmoza)  had left two slots open in the list because he was unsure if makingmusic was actually playing, which supports the possibility that he honestly though mm was in the game.

*Admittedly, I'm new to the game, so take that for what it's worth.

Final-Fan said:


makingmusic476 is still not on the OP list.  Considering that nen-suer has edited that OP list to include SM128's No Lynch vote, the "invisible assassin" hypothesis is looking a lot more likely IMO. 

Final-Fan was the second person to get on the "invisible assassin" train.  However, FF turned out to be mafia, so diverting attention to a frivolity was in his best interest, no?

Khuutra said:

SERIOUS QUESTION YOU GUYS, READ THIS PART:

Is makingmusic in the game? If so, should we lynch him? I don't normally like lynching on the first day (I always say not to), but I've never heard of this "invisible assassin" thing. It makes me nervous. It's annti-Town. Worth killing, if that's what he is.

Person #3 to solidly join the "invisible assassin" bandwagon.  What do #2 and #3 share in common?

hatmoza said:

Words cannot explain my anger at this very moment. I'm considering quitting. I know that's rash so I'm going to sleep on this and hopefully wake up with a changed mind.

Nen, how could you let that go on for two hundred and fucking fifty posts when the matter was addressed multiple times?

hatmoza said:

well answer to this, look for a replacement for me. or just mod kill me.

It is your job as a mod to stop such interferences.

hatmoza said:
makingmusic476 said:
*Explanation telling everyone that they're fools*

I'm laughing so hard tears are running down my face.

Why do I get the feeling Gnizmo was in on this too... oh God this is one for the books. 

The last post here occurred less than an hour after the first two, and follows a post where mm basically mocks everyone who believed in an "invisible jester."  It's a bizzare about-face, but not indicative of guilt, I think.

 

dsister said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Thats [noname's note: "That" refers to lynching a lurker on Day One, as suggested by Nikkels]  not a very good idea on first day, in a game that has 20 "plus" (can't use the symbol anymore on VGC) players.


Actually no.   It's a good idea to get rid of the them early on. because later on in the game when you are looking for scum. If you have someone that posts the bare amount of course you are going to have the least amount of info on them. Making it difficult to get an accurate read on them...

This was on page one, Saturday: dsister supported the idea of lynching a lurker.

dsister said:


Lets tune down the lurker hunting for now. Day 2(on a weekend no less) isn't the right time to be calling people lurkers. Also you need to take in account posts actually related to the game only. Active lurking is just as bad as not posting...

Though, bravo for taking the initiative!

Page 3, Sunday, after FF posted a list of people who had lurked up to that point.  The two posts are not completely contradictory, but I thought this was worth noting.  Dsister himself was not on that list, but others were.

dsister said:

Actually I daresay active lurkers are far more annoying then actual lurkers. As they make re-reading the thread a pain

But wasn't the point to get people to talk...?

And after all of this, we're back to

dsister said:
Khuutra said:

I, myself, suspect lurkers more. THat instinct has never really lead me wrong.


Then why wait till they become a problem? 

dsister said:

To expand on my last post. Look at it this way. If we lynch a lurker on day 1(not necessarily Snake) then it will show that we aren't kidding around about it. It would hopefully stop other people from following the same path.


Then we had this strange (in my mind) turn of events:

dsister said:
hatmoza said:

This is going nowhere.

Vote: No Lynch


Then ask questions. You really have been doing quite a bit of active lurking.

 Also this is interesting.  Why the sudden change of heart?

Edit:I really need to stop copying stuff from Office...

It's an odd thing to accuse someone of active lurking when they've posted as often as hatmoza has, with most of those posts being about the game. This exchange continued for quite a while, and I still don't think we got an explanation from dsister beyond "read the description I linked to."

 

 

sabby_e17 said:

As usual day one is boring. You can't really do much to get people talking and there isn't much to be talking about.

I don't know if I should call this a day.

Quite an odd thing to say after the whole makingmusic fiasco; I can understand wanting to end the day by then, but I wouldn't call it "boring," and at over 300 posts it's clear that there was plenty of talking going on. 

Even more oddly, this was only sabby's third-or-fourth post, I believe: for someone who was all for having people talk, he didnt' do much of it himself.

 

Stefl1504 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

I think that dsister's behaviour in this game is very strange. Is that how he normally plays ?


no... he normally plays somehow different... but earlier he was dsister44... maybe that's why he behaves strange... jokes asside...

Like I already said some posts above the fast vote for snakeeyez made him appear suspicious to me


I'd like some clarification from either of you, if I may; what makes you guys say this?

 

SnakeEyez said:

LOL wow, MM is in a pickle already. I think it's too early to lynch somebody.

Vote:No Lynch


This vote came after makingmusic deliberately acted as bizzare as he could, for his own amusement.  It therefore strikes me as something of a non-sequitir.  A later post from Snakeyez explains that the town voted No Lynch in the only other game he's played, and that that game "went well," but in that game the Serial Killer won, not the town.  And when someone pointed out this fact, Snakeyez failed to respond.