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GodOfWar_3ever on 11 August 2010

Sign up to round 19 if you don't hate me -

Lets see if I'm a complete failure or not... http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=114322

Dsister is prohibited from playing this round because of his hate of Canadians. Therefore, he shall be co-mod and will count the votes when I am not online if he wants to...



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Soleron on 11 August 2010
nen-suer said:
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But i thought you didn't know he was "da bomb" :P

I thought any possible protection on him would be avoided. I'm not complaining; the mod's interpretation of a role is always correct.



nen-suer on 11 August 2010
Soleron said:
nen-suer said:
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But i thought you didn't know he was "da bomb" :P

I thought any possible protection on him would be avoided. I'm not complaining; the mod's interpretation of a role is always correct.


I like that

@Khuutra

I don't expect a "player" to understand



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GodOfWar_3ever on 11 August 2010

Is it too early to start the sign up thread or are you guys just not interested ? 



Khuutra on 11 August 2010
nen-suer said:
Soleron said:

I thought any possible protection on him would be avoided. I'm not complaining; the mod's interpretation of a role is always correct.

I like that

@Khuutra

I don't expect a "player" to understand

I am moving slowly from confusion to rage.



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Silver-Tiger on 11 August 2010
Khuutra said:
nen-suer said:
Soleron said:

I thought any possible protection on him would be avoided. I'm not complaining; the mod's interpretation of a role is always correct.

I like that

@Khuutra

I don't expect a "player" to understand

I am moving slowly from confusion to rage

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nen-suer on 11 August 2010
Khuutra said:
nen-suer said:
Khuutra said:

No, I get how it works. What I'm proposing is this:

1. Doctor protects me (or not)

2. Soleron switches himself and me, so he is protected

3. Final-Fan aims for Soleron, and is redirected toward me, who is no longer protected, so I die

That how it works?

You will receive Soleron Fate, the action isn't "redirected"

If Soleron was suppose to die you die instead (and with the doctor protection he was safe)

But te problem remains! If I only receive his "fate" then I still have the doctor protection, which means I die anyway because I receive the fate of an unprotected target. But if Fate Swap swaps doctor protection and kills, then it means that aiming at Soleron kills me straight-up as described above, unless you're saying that Fate Swap takes place BETWEEN the doctor and the kill action, in which ca-

 

Okay, listen

Here are two scenarios

1. I'm protected by a doctor. Final-Fan aims to kill Soleron. Soleron swaps himself and me. What happens?

2. Soleron is protected by a doctor. Final-Fan aims to kill me. Soleron swaps himself and me. What happens?

Last time ok?

The only thing that is swapped is the "result"

FF target Soleron and "successfully" stab him...but you're the one who dies...get it

think about it as "voodoo" magic ^_^



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Khuutra on 11 August 2010
nen-suer said:

Last time ok?

The only thing that is swapped is the "result"

FF target Soleron and "successfully" stab him...but you're the one who dies...get it

think about it as "voodoo" magic ^_^

Good. Then you made a Mafia bus driver, which is exactly what I thought you did.

My previous comment about imbalance stands, but I will speak on it no more.



nen-suer on 11 August 2010
Khuutra said:
nen-suer said:

Last time ok?

The only thing that is swapped is the "result"

FF target Soleron and "successfully" stab him...but you're the one who dies...get it

 

think about it as "voodoo" magic ^_^

Good. Then you made a Mafia bus driver, which is exactly what I thought you did.

My previous comment about imbalance stands, but I will speak on it no more.

deference is Soleron cant swap any player. He can only swap him self with another player

and thats what makes it a double edged sword (and a very balanced ability imo)

plus you guys had Reptile



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Vetteman94 on 11 August 2010
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:

Vetteman:  Your no lynch plan was, is, and always will be a bad idea.  I "deserved to die" just for disagreeing with you? Hardly.  I've seen it in previous games, but your actions here really underscore your history of suspecting people who merely disagree with you.  It really cost the town big time this game.

The only time a no lynch is a good idea is when you can reasonably predict the number of kills each night.  Then you can use a no lynch to extend a game that was going to end during the night to instead end during the next day phase.  Or you can double lynch to shorten the game to end during the prior day phase.  The goal is to minimize the number of mafia kills and maximize the number of town kills.  That is the best way for the town to win.  Town kills have a chance of getting mafia, mafia kills (generally) do not.  Extra no lynches just give extra kills to the mafia.  The town should not want the mafia choosing who lives and dies

No it wasnt,  your supposed great idea of a lynch with no information cost us our deputy and essentially your life as well.  We had nothing to gain from lynching after 2 mafia end up dead in the first night. We could have sat back and got another night of investigations in and go over the information,  which it sounds like would have netted us a mafia member.  But you didnt want the town to lose its supposed power of lynching, which is an absolute BS idea. The power is only useful if you know how and when to use it.  Problem is we were shooting blindfolded in the dark, but we took the shot anyway. But I know how you are,  you will refuse to admit you are wrong.  Which is why I dont regret killing you in the game.

Also I would like you post this claimed history I have of me suspecting people that disagree with me?  

It only cost us the deputy because he quit on the game.  (Which reminds me of another thing that bothered me this game:  If you are pro-town, don't just give up and let yourself be lynched.  Especially if you have an important role.  At the very least role claim.)

Even lynching with no information is better than handing that kill to the mafia to do with what they please.  This really goes back to the fact that we are far too reliant on power roles here.  Everyone seems to be waiting for 'information', which really means a power role coming forward and telling people what to do.  When that doesn't come, we all just 'stand around holding our dick in our hands' as Noname put it.  If we were more proactive, the games would be faster, and it would be more fun to be a townie.

You too are refusing to admit you were wrong.  Even though it cost the town the game.

As for your history, there is myself (twice) and WoW as big examples off the top of my head in the last few games I remember playing with you.  I'm not going to bother digging through old threads, but your suspects always seem to be those who disagree with you the most.

So you would have had him roleclaim, which would have sent him to his grave anyway?   Which is the other reason I mentioned not to force a lynch,  forcing a powerful townie to roleclaim early on is suicide for that player.  Not to mention how would roleclaiming deputy be useful?  The mintue the real cop comes forward the mafia targets him and kills him rendering him useless.  But you obviously never thought that far ahead.

You arent handing anything to the mafia,  in fact you are actually taking away one more dead body that they cant use to benefit themselves.   With the chances to hit mafia at the slimmest chance possible in the game, we went for it and of course failed. 

I already admitted I was wrong about my choices,  did it a few times in the game,  I just dont regret my choices.  And my choices didnt cost the town the game, we had plenty of opportunities to win after that.   My choices cost the town no more than yours did though. 

My history is you twice, once where it was absolutely justified, and WoW???  Thats funny, I have always said I dont like people who try and take control of a game,  WoW always did this.  But not liking people trying to control the game and flat out disagreeing with someone are two different things. It happened early on this game as well,  both died though and would you look at that they both were Mafia.   Again if thats all you can come up with then there is no history, a few situations doenst make it a constant, especially with the number of game I have played.