but cell dusn't give more memory?

Really?

yes really really

Step back. In all honesty there is not a great deal between Alan Wake and any PS3 exclusive.

again you are going back to ur old personality of thinking that all 360 games are the best of grapics out there

Uncharted 2,GOW3 have alot of gap between them and Alan Wake.

Any advantages anywhere arent huge like some people make out.

those people are blind then

also you have got to be a casual gamer than doesn't look at detail for that to happen

and the darkness help alot in hiding the Alan Wake differences

Rage for example had hugely impressed graphically, and most media sound shocked that it was running on 360. In all reality I'm surprised they are shocked. 

they were shocked for all the versions not just 360.alot had to do with the backgrounds shown in the game

Almost all First party 360 games have split screen campaign either 2 or 4 players. Favouring gameplay, and sacrificing graphics.

so they don't do their job for the single campaign???????????????

Technically the 360 has been fine and right up there.

yes but it isn't near the PS3 exclusives

People like to dismiss games like Reach or Halo 3. But forget the huge amount of onscreen characters as well as individual AI.Or even that it runs smooth with 4 player splitscreen.

who the hell did dismiss them?????????

Like always, people assume technology drives the look of games. Its more efficient to use what you have better by creating better artwork than it is to simply try to drive more polygons in a dumb fashion. If games were developed without the artistic flair developed in the industry they would all look like arse.

Sumary for those who don't want to read:

Art = make more with less.

Programming = Make less into slightly more than less.

A true artist can do more with 5,000 polygons than an amatuer can do with 50,000.

The stuff bout Alan Wake is pointless to debate.

then why even bring it up

Theres paperthin between top 360 and PS3 games graphically.

no its not.

The single player suffers on a fair bit graphically when splitscreen is fully optimized with the games. It's not just a case of dropping textures etc. 

so just because they have splitscreen which nobody plays they don't make a good single player,you are out of excuses

Halo 3 still does the same enemies onscreen with 4 player with no noticeable graphical changes an nio framerate drops.

they better start doing it on one

Obviosuly there is allowances, but the actual cingle player engine is already designed with this in mind. If these games were solely 1 player campaign, there would have been more emphasis on graphics.

many of the games are and still they don't succeed

As for the dismissing? 

Loads of people do. If a game doesnt win best visuals, it's considered a failiure on here.

not really.infamous,halo,Nsmbwii aren't considered failures

Yet forget that technically it's just as impressive because it destroys the top graphical games in areas like amoumt onscreen. Draw distance, Amount of individual AI etc. 

how does it destroy it?

People are a little blinded at what power is in a console.

your comments in the past week make you seem blinded.you had learnt but you have again gone back.

So answering his question with truth, is lurking ok. 

Of course the PS3 version is gonna struggle next to the PC version. 

PC architecture is far more advanced than PS3 4 years into PS3 life in 'all' areas. 

I merely helped him to understand it's the lack of memory options on the console which is the issue. 

Dont start a flamewar. 

Ive not gone back to anything.

Ive not said x 360 game is best graphics ever.

but you are getting back to the statement that there is not much difference between Uncharted's and Aln Wake's

regardless of the fact you say the top games are miles apart. I disagree.

not miles but a significant difference

After seeing them all ( except GT5 so far ) I can say there isnt a huge difference between the visuals of Alan Wake, ME2, U2, GOW3.

don't even put Alan Wake in the same league as U2,GOW3

ME2 is good but still not there

They excel at different things. Agree that AW characters are not as great as other games. But the draw distance is the best out ( Episode 3 is rediculous ). The lighitng is top of the gen, and the whether effects are awesome. 

the lighting is one of the reasons you may think Alan Wake is good graphics game but overall its not.also the darkness helps it hide its flaws

And just to let you know. Alot of xbox players play splitscreen campaigns.

yes but its not their top priority by far.

online multiplayer is

Bungie and Epic would be bombarded by the fans if they decided not to include it and choose to concentrate all efforts on a single player graphical show.

still minimum and how does it stop them from making the single player campaign better

Do you know how may lan parties Halo and Gears have? 

do you,do you do a survey?

yes they happen but its just when people have friends over and just for fun but it is not the normal play

The only real flagship titles which have gone for graphics on a single experience front are Alan Wake and Forza 3. The rest that are considered technically impressive studios for graphics etc have all had coop.

Gameplay sells on 360 with friends.

gameplay sells on other platforms too but they have graphics too