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Yep we gamers have a market to ourselves, well were taking Japan too, as much as people here wont admit it.

See theres a clear disconnect, the PS2 gamers graduated to more hardcore games, this isnt happening this gen as 70% of Wii owners were previous PS2 owners.

So yeah, this generation we celebrate a game crawling to a million, back in those days, it was common place. Hopefully we gamers can hold on for the next few years and get the generation into the swing that we had in the PSone and PS2 days.

I wouldnt worry though, you guys are going to move onto Apple, there will be minimal heartache. = )



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kowenicki said:
FootballFan said:
selnor said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:

In the UK the impression I get is that the 360 is seen as the best buy for money if you're not also into BR movies  as well as HD/Online gaming while PS3 is seen as the best buy for money if you are also into BR movies as well as HD/Online gaming.

The split in demand I believe nicely correlates with the fact that although HD TV sales have been okay in UK SD and DVD are still the dominant formats.

The Wii though does seem to have seen a drop in market awareness and 'must have' factor.  It's still selling well, but in general terms the marketing presence and sense of demand seems to be much stronger recently for 360/PS3 vs the Wii.

The 360 does have the advantage of being cheaper (albeit more on paper than reality prior to the 360s) and has, much like US, taken root as the console of choice for teenagers and young males, which has helped secure it's position in the UK as arguably the more dominant console of late (although LTD is still trails the Wii and will probably continue to do so).

I think the UK shows a very good split across the three consoles, in line with demographics and purchasing demand, with only the poor PSP looking (again, similar to US) like the black sheep of the family.

HD is massive in the UK.   Sky HD, Virgin HD, BT, Freeview HD and Freesat are extremely popular.

Yep. It's just BluRay isn't.

HD downloads are what loads of people here do. It's cheaper and more convienient. 

BluRay is a lot more popular than you might think. All major shops that sell DVD's has BluRays. Sure, the odd charity shop here and there might not have the media but pretty much everywhere else does...

I actually like Blu-ray... i own quite a few.  But there is a very simple reason why consoles are being released with larger HDDs now.....   Digital dowloads.    A 1 terabyte media server or HDD attached to your router is relatively inexpensive and would pay for itself quite soon if you downloaded HD movies as opposed to buying the blu-ray version.

This is a odd thing about the UK. people who download movies don't think Blu-ray is particularly big or important. People who buy Blu-ray don't think downloads are particularly big or important. HD broadcasting is definitely bigger, but having movies on demand on standard TVs didn't stop the massive DVD boom.

I know in London, blu-rays are slowly taking over from DVDs - just about every shop that sells DVDs have a blu-ray section. There's more space to blu-ray in shops and it appears to be increasing week over week. I've a few friends who buy Blu-rays, even my parents and girlfriends parents now buy them. I think most people are now know that Blu-ray is the accepted replacement for DVD, but they are still relatively expensive, and you can play DVDs on a blu-ray player, so people still buy crap, cheap DVDs and buy their favourites on Blu-ray.

Then there are the downloaders, but they seem to be very tech savvy people with really good internet connections. I only know 2 guys who do this, and they have some pretty awesome PC rigs hooked up.I know i can't download HD movies, takes too long and my 1T hard drive is nearly full already. plus, i like having physical media still.

I still think that most people are still buying DVDs though, cheaper and people are used to them and don't really care for the better quality visuals.

The real winners are HD broadcasting, where Sky has put their money, and they're probably getting the most success. If you want to pay the extortionate amounts they demand, you can get HD TV and movies on demand, but you can't keep them. They're the ones with the real success, Sky is huge in the UK.



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Favourite game: Killzone 3

Scruff7 said:
kowenicki said:
FootballFan said:
selnor said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:

In the UK the impression I get is that the 360 is seen as the best buy for money if you're not also into BR movies  as well as HD/Online gaming while PS3 is seen as the best buy for money if you are also into BR movies as well as HD/Online gaming.

The split in demand I believe nicely correlates with the fact that although HD TV sales have been okay in UK SD and DVD are still the dominant formats.

The Wii though does seem to have seen a drop in market awareness and 'must have' factor.  It's still selling well, but in general terms the marketing presence and sense of demand seems to be much stronger recently for 360/PS3 vs the Wii.

The 360 does have the advantage of being cheaper (albeit more on paper than reality prior to the 360s) and has, much like US, taken root as the console of choice for teenagers and young males, which has helped secure it's position in the UK as arguably the more dominant console of late (although LTD is still trails the Wii and will probably continue to do so).

I think the UK shows a very good split across the three consoles, in line with demographics and purchasing demand, with only the poor PSP looking (again, similar to US) like the black sheep of the family.

HD is massive in the UK.   Sky HD, Virgin HD, BT, Freeview HD and Freesat are extremely popular.

Yep. It's just BluRay isn't.

HD downloads are what loads of people here do. It's cheaper and more convienient. 

BluRay is a lot more popular than you might think. All major shops that sell DVD's has BluRays. Sure, the odd charity shop here and there might not have the media but pretty much everywhere else does...

I actually like Blu-ray... i own quite a few.  But there is a very simple reason why consoles are being released with larger HDDs now.....   Digital dowloads.    A 1 terabyte media server or HDD attached to your router is relatively inexpensive and would pay for itself quite soon if you downloaded HD movies as opposed to buying the blu-ray version.

This is a odd thing about the UK. people who download movies don't think Blu-ray is particularly big or important. People who buy Blu-ray don't think downloads are particularly big or important. HD broadcasting is definitely bigger, but having movies on demand on standard TVs didn't stop the massive DVD boom.

I know in London, blu-rays are slowly taking over from DVDs - just about every shop that sells DVDs have a blu-ray section. There's more space to blu-ray in shops and it appears to be increasing week over week. I've a few friends who buy Blu-rays, even my parents and girlfriends parents now buy them. I think most people are now know that Blu-ray is the accepted replacement for DVD, but they are still relatively expensive, and you can play DVDs on a blu-ray player, so people still buy crap, cheap DVDs and buy their favourites on Blu-ray.

Then there are the downloaders, but they seem to be very tech savvy people with really good internet connections. I only know 2 guys who do this, and they have some pretty awesome PC rigs hooked up.I know i can't download HD movies, takes too long and my 1T hard drive is nearly full already. plus, i like having physical media still.

I still think that most people are still buying DVDs though, cheaper and people are used to them and don't really care for the better quality visuals.

The real winners are HD broadcasting, where Sky has put their money, and they're probably getting the most success. If you want to pay the extortionate amounts they demand, you can get HD TV and movies on demand, but you can't keep them. They're the ones with the real success, Sky is huge in the UK.

This post is spot on.....also 1 in 6 people in England have sky or something around that figure.



Real Reasons:

- UK has a very 'shooter' market concerning HD gaming

- 360 in the UK is a cheap as chips



FootballFan said:
Scruff7 said:
kowenicki said:
FootballFan said:
selnor said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:

In the UK the impression I get is that the 360 is seen as the best buy for money if you're not also into BR movies  as well as HD/Online gaming while PS3 is seen as the best buy for money if you are also into BR movies as well as HD/Online gaming.

The split in demand I believe nicely correlates with the fact that although HD TV sales have been okay in UK SD and DVD are still the dominant formats.

The Wii though does seem to have seen a drop in market awareness and 'must have' factor.  It's still selling well, but in general terms the marketing presence and sense of demand seems to be much stronger recently for 360/PS3 vs the Wii.

The 360 does have the advantage of being cheaper (albeit more on paper than reality prior to the 360s) and has, much like US, taken root as the console of choice for teenagers and young males, which has helped secure it's position in the UK as arguably the more dominant console of late (although LTD is still trails the Wii and will probably continue to do so).

I think the UK shows a very good split across the three consoles, in line with demographics and purchasing demand, with only the poor PSP looking (again, similar to US) like the black sheep of the family.

HD is massive in the UK.   Sky HD, Virgin HD, BT, Freeview HD and Freesat are extremely popular.

Yep. It's just BluRay isn't.

HD downloads are what loads of people here do. It's cheaper and more convienient. 

BluRay is a lot more popular than you might think. All major shops that sell DVD's has BluRays. Sure, the odd charity shop here and there might not have the media but pretty much everywhere else does...

I actually like Blu-ray... i own quite a few.  But there is a very simple reason why consoles are being released with larger HDDs now.....   Digital dowloads.    A 1 terabyte media server or HDD attached to your router is relatively inexpensive and would pay for itself quite soon if you downloaded HD movies as opposed to buying the blu-ray version.

This is a odd thing about the UK. people who download movies don't think Blu-ray is particularly big or important. People who buy Blu-ray don't think downloads are particularly big or important. HD broadcasting is definitely bigger, but having movies on demand on standard TVs didn't stop the massive DVD boom.

I know in London, blu-rays are slowly taking over from DVDs - just about every shop that sells DVDs have a blu-ray section. There's more space to blu-ray in shops and it appears to be increasing week over week. I've a few friends who buy Blu-rays, even my parents and girlfriends parents now buy them. I think most people are now know that Blu-ray is the accepted replacement for DVD, but they are still relatively expensive, and you can play DVDs on a blu-ray player, so people still buy crap, cheap DVDs and buy their favourites on Blu-ray.

Then there are the downloaders, but they seem to be very tech savvy people with really good internet connections. I only know 2 guys who do this, and they have some pretty awesome PC rigs hooked up.I know i can't download HD movies, takes too long and my 1T hard drive is nearly full already. plus, i like having physical media still.

I still think that most people are still buying DVDs though, cheaper and people are used to them and don't really care for the better quality visuals.

The real winners are HD broadcasting, where Sky has put their money, and they're probably getting the most success. If you want to pay the extortionate amounts they demand, you can get HD TV and movies on demand, but you can't keep them. They're the ones with the real success, Sky is huge in the UK.

This post is spot on.....also 1 in 6 people in England have sky or something around that figure.

That's pretty high, but i'm not surprised with the amount of dishes you see attached to people's homes!



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Favourite game: Killzone 3

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selnor said:

Noone really cares for Blu Ray here. I know more people who download HD films via either Xbox Live, BT Vision than even own a Blu Ray player. 

so do I but that is because my friends are all techies and geeks.the normal people don't go and download things

In fact Ive only ever once since Blu Ray has been out here ( 4 years ) seen an actual Blu Ray disc. 

And I can go into HMV, supermarkets etc without even seeing a BluRay on store shelves. Just DVD's. 

there is some problem with the store as blu-ray should atleast be there

BluRay prices are still the same as 4 years ago. £20-£30. To own an HD film via download is about £7.

same was with DVD before PS2

and people pirate more than pay for HD downloads

To rent HD films via download is around £2-£3. Blockbuster charge as much as £6 to rent a BluRay for 24 hours.

both are very expensive and Blockbuster is heading towards the end so don't even mention it in ur argument

UK is gonna miss BluRay alltogether. 

I for one am getting the 360s next week to fully utilise HD film downloads in my home. I never have to :

1. spend extra for another new media. 

2. Either find more shelf space.

3. Sell my BluRays when the next comes out.

just ur opinion nothing else

I personally think certainly in the UK where Broadband is so easily available now, that BluRay will probably be the last medium here. It is struggling big here.

so did DVD and we will see that next gen when blu-ray is the top choice

More people definately have adopted downloads here. It's evident by the lack of BluRay shelf space. 

piracy is really killing everything



Scruff7 said:
kowenicki said:
FootballFan said:
selnor said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:

In the UK the impression I get is that the 360 is seen as the best buy for money if you're not also into BR movies  as well as HD/Online gaming while PS3 is seen as the best buy for money if you are also into BR movies as well as HD/Online gaming.

The split in demand I believe nicely correlates with the fact that although HD TV sales have been okay in UK SD and DVD are still the dominant formats.

The Wii though does seem to have seen a drop in market awareness and 'must have' factor.  It's still selling well, but in general terms the marketing presence and sense of demand seems to be much stronger recently for 360/PS3 vs the Wii.

The 360 does have the advantage of being cheaper (albeit more on paper than reality prior to the 360s) and has, much like US, taken root as the console of choice for teenagers and young males, which has helped secure it's position in the UK as arguably the more dominant console of late (although LTD is still trails the Wii and will probably continue to do so).

I think the UK shows a very good split across the three consoles, in line with demographics and purchasing demand, with only the poor PSP looking (again, similar to US) like the black sheep of the family.

HD is massive in the UK.   Sky HD, Virgin HD, BT, Freeview HD and Freesat are extremely popular.

Yep. It's just BluRay isn't.

HD downloads are what loads of people here do. It's cheaper and more convienient. 

BluRay is a lot more popular than you might think. All major shops that sell DVD's has BluRays. Sure, the odd charity shop here and there might not have the media but pretty much everywhere else does...

I actually like Blu-ray... i own quite a few.  But there is a very simple reason why consoles are being released with larger HDDs now.....   Digital dowloads.    A 1 terabyte media server or HDD attached to your router is relatively inexpensive and would pay for itself quite soon if you downloaded HD movies as opposed to buying the blu-ray version.

This is a odd thing about the UK. people who download movies don't think Blu-ray is particularly big or important. People who buy Blu-ray don't think downloads are particularly big or important. HD broadcasting is definitely bigger, but having movies on demand on standard TVs didn't stop the massive DVD boom.

I know in London, blu-rays are slowly taking over from DVDs - just about every shop that sells DVDs have a blu-ray section. There's more space to blu-ray in shops and it appears to be increasing week over week. I've a few friends who buy Blu-rays, even my parents and girlfriends parents now buy them. I think most people are now know that Blu-ray is the accepted replacement for DVD, but they are still relatively expensive, and you can play DVDs on a blu-ray player, so people still buy crap, cheap DVDs and buy their favourites on Blu-ray.

Then there are the downloaders, but they seem to be very tech savvy people with really good internet connections. I only know 2 guys who do this, and they have some pretty awesome PC rigs hooked up.I know i can't download HD movies, takes too long and my 1T hard drive is nearly full already. plus, i like having physical media still.

I still think that most people are still buying DVDs though, cheaper and people are used to them and don't really care for the better quality visuals.

The real winners are HD broadcasting, where Sky has put their money, and they're probably getting the most success. If you want to pay the extortionate amounts they demand, you can get HD TV and movies on demand, but you can't keep them. They're the ones with the real success, Sky is huge in the UK.

exactly



As for Blu-Ray - no doubt things are getting better, but DVD is still outselling it in the UK. I guess Blu-Ray is in its early stages though, and if/when 3D goes big Blu-Ray will pick up a lot.

Digital Download is not viable for a lot of the UK at the minute  - and people just like physical media more.



Scruff7 said:
FootballFan said:
Scruff7 said:
kowenicki said:
FootballFan said:
selnor said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:

In the UK the impression I get is that the 360 is seen as the best buy for money if you're not also into BR movies  as well as HD/Online gaming while PS3 is seen as the best buy for money if you are also into BR movies as well as HD/Online gaming.

The split in demand I believe nicely correlates with the fact that although HD TV sales have been okay in UK SD and DVD are still the dominant formats.

The Wii though does seem to have seen a drop in market awareness and 'must have' factor.  It's still selling well, but in general terms the marketing presence and sense of demand seems to be much stronger recently for 360/PS3 vs the Wii.

The 360 does have the advantage of being cheaper (albeit more on paper than reality prior to the 360s) and has, much like US, taken root as the console of choice for teenagers and young males, which has helped secure it's position in the UK as arguably the more dominant console of late (although LTD is still trails the Wii and will probably continue to do so).

I think the UK shows a very good split across the three consoles, in line with demographics and purchasing demand, with only the poor PSP looking (again, similar to US) like the black sheep of the family.

HD is massive in the UK.   Sky HD, Virgin HD, BT, Freeview HD and Freesat are extremely popular.

Yep. It's just BluRay isn't.

HD downloads are what loads of people here do. It's cheaper and more convienient. 

BluRay is a lot more popular than you might think. All major shops that sell DVD's has BluRays. Sure, the odd charity shop here and there might not have the media but pretty much everywhere else does...

I actually like Blu-ray... i own quite a few.  But there is a very simple reason why consoles are being released with larger HDDs now.....   Digital dowloads.    A 1 terabyte media server or HDD attached to your router is relatively inexpensive and would pay for itself quite soon if you downloaded HD movies as opposed to buying the blu-ray version.

This is a odd thing about the UK. people who download movies don't think Blu-ray is particularly big or important. People who buy Blu-ray don't think downloads are particularly big or important. HD broadcasting is definitely bigger, but having movies on demand on standard TVs didn't stop the massive DVD boom.

I know in London, blu-rays are slowly taking over from DVDs - just about every shop that sells DVDs have a blu-ray section. There's more space to blu-ray in shops and it appears to be increasing week over week. I've a few friends who buy Blu-rays, even my parents and girlfriends parents now buy them. I think most people are now know that Blu-ray is the accepted replacement for DVD, but they are still relatively expensive, and you can play DVDs on a blu-ray player, so people still buy crap, cheap DVDs and buy their favourites on Blu-ray.

Then there are the downloaders, but they seem to be very tech savvy people with really good internet connections. I only know 2 guys who do this, and they have some pretty awesome PC rigs hooked up.I know i can't download HD movies, takes too long and my 1T hard drive is nearly full already. plus, i like having physical media still.

I still think that most people are still buying DVDs though, cheaper and people are used to them and don't really care for the better quality visuals.

The real winners are HD broadcasting, where Sky has put their money, and they're probably getting the most success. If you want to pay the extortionate amounts they demand, you can get HD TV and movies on demand, but you can't keep them. They're the ones with the real success, Sky is huge in the UK.

This post is spot on.....also 1 in 6 people in England have sky or something around that figure.

That's pretty high, but i'm not surprised with the amount of dishes you see attached to people's homes!

man i hate the dishes

they look so cheap outside every house.

its like more clutter as everyone hops on



lol i think im the only guy in the uk who owns a ps3 and watches bluray movies ...