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Pyro as Bill said:

An American who wants to pay taxes to the British Govt, a right winger from Wales and a Scouser who wants to work?

Goodness, what next?

A Conservative government which pledges to make the nation more liberal?



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Kasz216 said:

Also... i'd say the only problem with devolution is that when you deal with extremists you end up getting extremes.

For example in the US.  California is mostly run by Democrats.

It's constantly going bankrupt because it's local governments spend way more then they can afford, end up raising taxes on anyone with any money forcing those people to feel the state.   It's in GIANT trouble and needs a lot of fiscal responsibility.

On the other hand, you've got Nevada.  No state taxes except sales tax and a VERY small casino tax.  Desperatly needs more money, needs to raise taxes... won't do it.   As such they face horrible budget crisises have to cut essential services and suggest things like a charity to pay salaries.

The good (or bad, depending on how you look at it) thing about the UK is that all of our parties are pretty much the same thing. There's the slightly right of centre Conservatives, slightly less right of centre Labour and left of centre Lib Dems (as extreme as it gets, but this is the first time in 90 years their party's actually been relevant).

The biggest area of disagreement in the 2010 election was whether to cut spending this year or next year.



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badgenome said:

brb, moving to UK.

Enjoy 50% tax, one security camera per 14 people and a system of socialist capitalism which hasn't changed for 50 years and isn't going to change any time soon.



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christ, what is this site?

Far Right?

im out.



NoddyHolder said:

christ, what is this site?

Far Right?

im out.

Like the entire internet, we're sickeningly left wing on the whole. It's just that right wingers (being more intelligent ) are more active in discussions like this.

Not far right, by the way. Centre right.



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NoddyHolder said:

christ, what is this site?

Far Right?

im out.


Bye.

Though, it might be beneficial if you stick around... you might actually learn a thing or two. And why would you want to go to a site where everybody agrees? That would be boring.... here, there's enough people of all tastes for there to be interesting discussion, at least.

But, if you're too closed-minded to partake, see ya.



Let me just clear up a few important issues being raised in his thread.

A.) I'm not from Liverpool

B.) I'm from a City with a top University

C.) I'm not working at Mcdonalds

That is all

 

Also one for you SamuelRSmith

According to some opinion polls the CONSERVATIVES have a substantial lead in the polls. You gov for example I heard had them at 43%. The Liberal Democrats seem to be in decline seen as though Labour are accusing them of giving in to the tories...Labour haven't really recovered much and Mandelson isn't helping things....Why don't they call an election meaning that they are likely to win outright and that would settle the whining back benchers and could take full control over government. Surely, this is an ideal time to while they seem to be able to win?



@FootballFan:

What's wrong with McDonald's? I personally work there on weekends... it's a much better job than you expect, mainly because everybody working there is between 16 and 21, so it's always a right laugh. The free food is a benefit, too. It's also a job that is pretty much guaranteed... if you apply, you've essentially got it. If you refuse to work there on some kind of principal, then you have no right to complain about not being able to find a job (unless that principal is a dietry one, I could accept it if you were a diehard vegetarian, or something; except, that I'm a veggie and I can still cope ).

As for your question. It's too risky. For one, increased votes might not mean increased seats. In the election, more people voted Conservative than voted for Labour in 2005 - which one resulted in the higher number of seats? Second, performing better in opinion polls doesn't always equate higher votes - Labour turned down the opportunity of an election in 2007 because they felt that the favourable opinion polls wouldn't translate over to votes. The opinion polls before the election also put Liberal Democrats ahead of Labour - yet the actual election was nothing like this.

You might say, well, they could still risk it, at worse they'd be in a similar situation, but, they won't. People would be pissed at them calling another election, which could mean more rebellion votes. Similarly, it's going to piss the Lib Dems off, meaning that coalition agreements would be harder, and they would demand more from it.

Conservatives would not gain from another election.



SamuelRSmith said:

@FootballFan:

What's wrong with McDonald's? I personally work there on weekends... it's a much better job than you expect, mainly because everybody working there is between 16 and 21, so it's always a right laugh. The free food is a benefit, too. It's also a job that is pretty much guaranteed... if you apply, you've essentially got it. If you refuse to work there on some kind of principal, then you have no right to complain about not being able to find a job (unless that principal is a dietry one, I could accept it if you were a diehard vegetarian, or something; except, that I'm a veggie and I can still cope ).

As for your question. It's too risky. For one, increased votes might not mean increased seats. In the election, more people voted Conservative than voted for Labour in 2005 - which one resulted in the higher number of seats? Second, performing better in opinion polls doesn't always equate higher votes - Labour turned down the opportunity of an election in 2007 because they felt that the favourable opinion polls wouldn't translate over to votes. The opinion polls before the election also put Liberal Democrats ahead of Labour - yet the actual election was nothing like this.

You might say, well, they could still risk it, at worse they'd be in a similar situation, but, they won't. People would be pissed at them calling another election, which could mean more rebellion votes. Similarly, it's going to piss the Lib Dems off, meaning that coalition agreements would be harder, and they would demand more from it.

Conservatives would not gain from another election.

Arghh. I see what you mean. The backlash from potential faluire outways the chances of winning a greater number of seats. I remember after the first tv debate Clegg shot up 10 points or something ridiculous. Pretty much shows how quickly people "like" to change their minds about political parties.

Also I could work at Mcdonalds but I might have the piss taken out of me for a considerable amount of time. I have a mental block against working there for some reason. I guess a job is a job but it's early days I have only had 1 day of job hunting and I pretty much knew what to expect. Also I might get a job anyway...one place accepted my CV. Poundland, the place which is booming as of recent years and still people ask how much things cost....d'oh. The prospect of working with 40 year old men and women and being the most intelligent person working there could be quite funny Saying that, everyone is finding it difficult to find a job, I probably won't get it anyway.

 



Eh, my mates stopped taking the piss right around the time that they realised that my employee discount would mean that they can get cheap food.

Quite a coincidence, aye?