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Some people don't seem to be getting this:

France is a secular country. Completely secular. Religious Education cannot be taught in school or university. Pupils may not wear religious symbols of any kind, from any religion, to school. No Burqas, no crosses, no Kirpans, no Kippahs.

This is not intended to persecute Muslims. This is intended to preserve the non-religious atmosphere of France, and to prevent against discrimination more than anything else.



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SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.


You can see the face of nuns don't ya?  And wow their are no african nuns in your country?

1)ive met less friendly nuns than friendly muslim women.

why you need to see the face? dont you use an IM client? we gonna ban them too?

1)  Did I say muslim women are less friendly than nuns?

why need to see the face...maybe for proper identification of the person? This issue all stared with a group of Burqa women who did not wanted to let the police show their face...'I wear a burqa because no men should see me and then you ask to show myself what is the point of my burqa then'?  Can women wear an burqa on UK airports?  Can they go to an bank? can they do their exams on school? Can they find work with one? Without showing their face?  If not they are screwed...

why not? what do you not like about them hiding there faces?

If they show their face when police asks to do..or at situations when proper identification is needed I don't have a problem with it all...If they refuse then they should not be surprised that a country/city wants to ban it...but yeah if they accept it.....it will be hard to say I am for a ban or not...What is more important that the women have the right to wear it...or ban it so no husband can demand to wear it...Allowing it can make other husbands demand it aswell...

Sadly it does not help aswell that some use a burqa aswell to use criminal activities I though their was an accident in London aswell last year..


thats fine, if police ask them, they should, if they refuse, then they should find something to do then, but banning them for all because of that is stupid, its like banning all cats because one cat scratched a policeman.

Do what then?



 

Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

so, basically, because you morons dont like them?

pathetic.

and finding rare cases where poeple use them to commit a crime is stupid, I can easily do the same for hoodies and such.


Very constructive....I did not say I did not liked burqa's....

Ask your wife to wear one...If she does not like to wear one is she an moron aswell? 

If someone with an hoodie commits a crime (like robbery) their is a chance the camara's have his face....Also the workers in the store have a high chance of sawing the person's face..  With an burqa that is an other story..


not meant for you (see edit), but yeah, sorry, Im in a bad mood atm.

dont have a wife, if i did, id let her wear whatever she likes, not for me or anyone else to tell her.

depends how they wear the hoodie, in the UK, most people who wear hoodies cover their faces...



Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.


You can see the face of nuns don't ya?  And wow their are no african nuns in your country?

1)ive met less friendly nuns than friendly muslim women.

why you need to see the face? dont you use an IM client? we gonna ban them too?

1)  Did I say muslim women are less friendly than nuns?

why need to see the face...maybe for proper identification of the person? This issue all stared with a group of Burqa women who did not wanted to let the police show their face...'I wear a burqa because no men should see me and then you ask to show myself what is the point of my burqa then'?  Can women wear an burqa on UK airports?  Can they go to an bank? can they do their exams on school? Can they find work with one? Without showing their face?  If not they are screwed...

why not? what do you not like about them hiding there faces?

If they show their face when police asks to do..or at situations when proper identification is needed I don't have a problem with it all...If they refuse then they should not be surprised that a country/city wants to ban it...but yeah if they accept it.....it will be hard to say I am for a ban or not...What is more important that the women have the right to wear it...or ban it so no husband can demand to wear it...Allowing it can make other husbands demand it aswell...

Sadly it does not help aswell that some use a burqa aswell to use criminal activities I though their was an accident in London aswell last year..


thats fine, if police ask them, they should, if they refuse, then they should find something to do then, but banning them for all because of that is stupid, its like banning all cats because one cat scratched a policeman.

Do what then?

if they have sufficient suspicion arrest them

edit: answer my other point.



SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.

I don't think I've ever encountered a nun in public. I've encountered many Muslim ladies wearing burqas.



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SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:


thats fine, if police ask them, they should, if they refuse, then they should find something to do then, but banning them for all because of that is stupid, its like banning all cats because one cat scratched a policeman.

Do what then?

if they have sufficient suspicion arrest them

edit: answer my other point.

Arrest people for wearing burqas? Even I think that's a little extreme.



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Kantor said:

Some people don't seem to be getting this:

France is a secular country. Completely secular. Religious Education cannot be taught in school or university. Pupils may not wear religious symbols of any kind, from any religion, to school. No Burqas, no crosses, no Kirpans, no Kippahs.

This is not intended to persecute Muslims. This is intended to preserve the non-religious atmosphere of France, and to prevent against discrimination more than anything else.


as I understand it, the Burka has nothing to do with their religion, its a cultural thing.

and teaching RE is fine, so long as its not biased.



SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

so, basically, because you morons dont like them?

pathetic.

and finding rare cases where poeple use them to commit a crime is stupid, I can easily do the same for hoodies and such.


Very constructive....I did not say I did not liked burqa's....

Ask your wife to wear one...If she does not like to wear one is she an moron aswell? 

If someone with an hoodie commits a crime (like robbery) their is a chance the camara's have his face....Also the workers in the store have a high chance of sawing the person's face..  With an burqa that is an other story..


not meant for you (see edit), but yeah, sorry, Im in a bad mood atm.

dont have a wife, if i did, id let her wear whatever she likes, not for me or anyone else to tell her.

depends how they wear the hoodie, in the UK, most people who wear hoodies cover their faces...

Ok I can understand;;;.Well did not saw much of those hoodies when I was in Manchester and London but ok that was a long time ago now...



 

Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:


thats fine, if police ask them, they should, if they refuse, then they should find something to do then, but banning them for all because of that is stupid, its like banning all cats because one cat scratched a policeman.

Do what then?

if they have sufficient suspicion arrest them

edit: answer my other point.

Arrest people for wearing burqas? Even I think that's a little extreme.


he says they commited a crime, so youre not, you are arresting them on suspicion of commiting a crime, dont really get his point, but hey.



Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.

I don't think I've ever encountered a nun in public. I've encountered many Muslim ladies wearing burqas.


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