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Would you like to see Europe have it's own chart?

Yes 112 73.68%
 
No 20 13.16%
 
Don't Care 20 13.16%
 
Total:152
Seece on 12 July 2010
wholikeswood said:
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
wholikeswood said:
kowenicki said:

I suggested this a while back...  lets just say i had my head bitten off.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=96350

 

I think people objected there because you were breaking it down too much and really just wanted to showcase how popular the 360 is in the UK.

Although EMEA isn't a perfect bracket (as it seems to odd to lump Moroccan sales together with, say, Swedish sales), I think it's the best solution - for want of a better word - that we have for now.

sigh... if you read the whole thread you will see that isnt what I was tryin to do at all...    I was happy with Europe as a region as a compromise.

and why is EMEA better than Europe and Others?  please explain.

It's interesting that's the first thing that pops into his head (but not unsurprising), I swear he only comes on this site for the console wars ..

It's interesting that you like to talk about me in the third-person so often (but not unsurprising, as presumably you think such an indirect approach makes your slander more admissible).

Hastening back to the topic/Kowenicki's post:

a) you were gunning for the UK to be a region because of 360 vs PS3 sales in that region and I wasn't alone in feeling that way - Hatmoza alluded to this on the very first page.

b) you didn't say you were "happy to compromise" with Europe alone being separate, you just said "even that alone would make more sense" to you than the current system - those two statements are not the same, and you carried on promoting the UK over Japan throughout the thread as you continued your crusade for the UK's separation on the charts.

And like the majority I prefer EMEA over Europe Others for many reasons - that it neatly ties in with how the big 3 present data, that Others' consumer habits aren't sufficiently distinct from Europe as to actually merit separation, that changing things would create unnecessary work for the numbers team, etc.

Don't flatter yourself.

As for the rest of that of the filler, I want the UK up their because I'm patriotic, that said it's no good without the flags.

No it says more about yourself when that's the first thing you jump to, but, like I've said in the past, that's the only reason you come onto this site.

You know it's fine being all "RAWR CONSOLE WARS, FIGHT" but 100% of the time? ... man lighten up!!



 

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novasonic on 12 July 2010

The site already breaks EMEAA down by region.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m

Hyruken on 12 July 2010

Ah i see. So your saying you can't do it because a lot of the countries in the europe figures are just guesses?

Well coudn't you do it from a set date then? Rather then go back through and change the data just have a cut off date and start from there? As i said before maybe do it Americas,Europe,Asia,Rest of the world?

As mentioned above we do have those figures on the website. Just you have to sive through them to take out africa,asia,middle east each week to see the true European numbers. WHich currently are not representive of the actual total each week. It is a bit like including Japan with US and when a Japanese game sells well and appears high up on the americas chart people would assume that the game is popular everywhere. Right now that is how the European charts are. A game that does well in say Korea will be incorperated into European numbers. The two countries in trends are very different.



hentai_11 on 12 July 2010
Hyruken said:

Ah i see. So your saying you can't do it because a lot of the countries in the europe figures are just guesses?

Well coudn't you do it from a set date then? Rather then go back through and change the data just have a cut off date and start from there? As i said before maybe do it Americas,Europe,Asia,Rest of the world?

As mentioned above we do have those figures on the website. Just you have to sive through them to take out africa,asia,middle east each week to see the true European numbers. WHich currently are not representive of the actual total each week. It is a bit like including Japan with US and when a Japanese game sells well and appears high up on the americas chart people would assume that the game is popular everywhere. Right now that is how the European charts are. A game that does well in say Korea will be incorperated into European numbers. The two countries in trends are very different.

Europe is not a country. It are multiple countries (for instance uk, germany, france and so on) All these countries already have different trends. For instance UK favors the X360 and Italy favors PS3, if I recall correctly.
A few more countries in the mix are no problem for me. And for the intrested ppl there are the country specific charts.



wholikeswood on 12 July 2010
Seece said:
wholikeswood said:
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
wholikeswood said:
kowenicki said:

I suggested this a while back...  lets just say i had my head bitten off.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=96350

 

I think people objected there because you were breaking it down too much and really just wanted to showcase how popular the 360 is in the UK.

Although EMEA isn't a perfect bracket (as it seems to odd to lump Moroccan sales together with, say, Swedish sales), I think it's the best solution - for want of a better word - that we have for now.

sigh... if you read the whole thread you will see that isnt what I was tryin to do at all...    I was happy with Europe as a region as a compromise.

and why is EMEA better than Europe and Others?  please explain.

It's interesting that's the first thing that pops into his head (but not unsurprising), I swear he only comes on this site for the console wars ..

It's interesting that you like to talk about me in the third-person so often (but not unsurprising, as presumably you think such an indirect approach makes your slander more admissible).

Hastening back to the topic/Kowenicki's post:

a) you were gunning for the UK to be a region because of 360 vs PS3 sales in that region and I wasn't alone in feeling that way - Hatmoza alluded to this on the very first page.

b) you didn't say you were "happy to compromise" with Europe alone being separate, you just said "even that alone would make more sense" to you than the current system - those two statements are not the same, and you carried on promoting the UK over Japan throughout the thread as you continued your crusade for the UK's separation on the charts.

And like the majority I prefer EMEA over Europe Others for many reasons - that it neatly ties in with how the big 3 present data, that Others' consumer habits aren't sufficiently distinct from Europe as to actually merit separation, that changing things would create unnecessary work for the numbers team, etc.

Don't flatter yourself.

As for the rest of that of the filler, I want the UK up their because I'm patriotic, that said it's no good without the flags.

No it says more about yourself when that's the first thing you jump to, but, like I've said in the past, that's the only reason you come onto this site.

You know it's fine being all "RAWR CONSOLE WARS, FIGHT" but 100% of the time? ... man lighten up!!

From 'Hastening' onwards I was addressing Kowenicki, but seeing as you've taken up his mantle I think patriotism is a moronic reason to have UK up there on the homepage - it's as ioi says, where do you draw the line? What if the Italians want their numbers up there just because they're proud of their country? And the Spanish? And the Dutch? Hopefully you can see why what you want will never be something that the numbers team can adopt.

As for all this advice to "lighten up", you, I and anyone else who's frequented these boards for more than a few months know(s) that that's not who you are; you're as game for a flamewar as any other. Trying to paint me as the aggressor in this when the only reason you joined the thread was to stealth-troll me is not going to fool anyone. You're transparent.



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Hyruken on 12 July 2010
ioi said:
Hyruken said:

Ah i see. So your saying you can't do it because a lot of the countries in the europe figures are just guesses?

Well coudn't you do it from a set date then? Rather then go back through and change the data just have a cut off date and start from there? As i said before maybe do it Americas,Europe,Asia,Rest of the world?

As mentioned above we do have those figures on the website. Just you have to sive through them to take out africa,asia,middle east each week to see the true European numbers. WHich currently are not representive of the actual total each week. It is a bit like including Japan with US and when a Japanese game sells well and appears high up on the americas chart people would assume that the game is popular everywhere. Right now that is how the European charts are. A game that does well in say Korea will be incorperated into European numbers. The two countries in trends are very different.


For software we don't get accurate data for Greece or Portugal, for example, but we extrapolate for those regions based on regions we do get software data for and knowledge of market sizes and similar markets etc. There is obviously a reasonable amount of filling holes involved when covering such fragmented markets.

For the EMEAA region we break down hardware by major regions - this is all pretty historical, Scandinavia gets lumped, Spain and Portugal get put together etc. We follow how publishers release data to allow for easy comparisons. For software we don't have these breakdowns as things would become way too complex to track and we don't have the detail in the data for some regions to do this justice.

So I'm not sure really what you are asking? Europe makes up 85-90% of the EMEAA region so I don't really see the point in seperating it out.

Japan is another matter entirely - Japan is a market all of its own. Many games release in Japan not only first but in many cases they never make it out anywhere else. Again, I don't really see why you'd want to be lumping Japan with other Asian countries when it is so dominating, has totally different release patterns and games?



All i am saying is, is it possible to put the charts into regions? As i said before would it not make sense to put Europe as a region in the same way you have done Americas? I take what you say to mean that it is not possible to do that due to not having the total data from europe?



Seece on 12 July 2010
wholikeswood said:
Seece said:
wholikeswood said:
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
wholikeswood said:
kowenicki said:

I suggested this a while back...  lets just say i had my head bitten off.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=96350

 

I think people objected there because you were breaking it down too much and really just wanted to showcase how popular the 360 is in the UK.

Although EMEA isn't a perfect bracket (as it seems to odd to lump Moroccan sales together with, say, Swedish sales), I think it's the best solution - for want of a better word - that we have for now.

sigh... if you read the whole thread you will see that isnt what I was tryin to do at all...    I was happy with Europe as a region as a compromise.

and why is EMEA better than Europe and Others?  please explain.

It's interesting that's the first thing that pops into his head (but not unsurprising), I swear he only comes on this site for the console wars ..

It's interesting that you like to talk about me in the third-person so often (but not unsurprising, as presumably you think such an indirect approach makes your slander more admissible).

Hastening back to the topic/Kowenicki's post:

a) you were gunning for the UK to be a region because of 360 vs PS3 sales in that region and I wasn't alone in feeling that way - Hatmoza alluded to this on the very first page.

b) you didn't say you were "happy to compromise" with Europe alone being separate, you just said "even that alone would make more sense" to you than the current system - those two statements are not the same, and you carried on promoting the UK over Japan throughout the thread as you continued your crusade for the UK's separation on the charts.

And like the majority I prefer EMEA over Europe Others for many reasons - that it neatly ties in with how the big 3 present data, that Others' consumer habits aren't sufficiently distinct from Europe as to actually merit separation, that changing things would create unnecessary work for the numbers team, etc.

Don't flatter yourself.

As for the rest of that of the filler, I want the UK up their because I'm patriotic, that said it's no good without the flags.

No it says more about yourself when that's the first thing you jump to, but, like I've said in the past, that's the only reason you come onto this site.

You know it's fine being all "RAWR CONSOLE WARS, FIGHT" but 100% of the time? ... man lighten up!!

From 'Hastening' onwards I was addressing Kowenicki, but seeing as you've taken up his mantle I think patriotism is a moronic reason to have UK up there on the homepage - it's as ioi says, where do you draw the line? What if the Italians want their numbers up there just because they're proud of their country? And the Spanish? And the Dutch? Hopefully you can see why what you want will never be something that the numbers team can adopt.

As for all this advice to "lighten up", you, I and anyone else who's frequented these boards for more than a few months know(s) that that's not who you are; you're as game for a flamewar as any other. Trying to paint me as the aggressor in this when the only reason you joined the thread was to stealth-troll me is not going to fool anyone. You're transparent.

Then they chant to get their own chart up their, I didn't say my reason was valid or acceptable or feasible, but it IS my reason, end of.

I like debating yes, about 5000 of my posts are lighthearted though ^^, FYI I joined this thread before you ..



 

Hyruken on 12 July 2010

Sorry ioi maybe i am not explaining what i mean too well!

Right what i am trying to suggest is for hardware and software. Rather then have EMEAA with the many different continents in it why not break it up into different regions. As i said, for example it could be Americas,Europe,Asia and Others.

As you say Japan is a big gaming place, maybe not fair to put it with the whole of asia but how is that different from UK being put in with countries from middle east?

My point about the trends was how is something happening in Angola trending the same as UK? Europe as a whole now dwarfs Japans numbers. Japan is but a shadow of it's self. Were looking at sales for some items that are not even in the 10k bracket anymore. Handhelds are what are big in Japan. 62% of this weeks sales in Japan are hand helds. In UK this number is only 34%. In Middle Eat,Africa and Asia this figure is almost 50% (47%).

In EMEAA this week PS2 sold 18k. 14k of that came from Africa,Middle East and Asia. Meaning almost 80% (77%) of PS2 sales came from outside europe. Again this does not show the trend of Europe.

In Africa,Middle East and Asia the PS2 is actually selling more then both PS3 and 360. And based on this weeks numbers only a few hundred behind the Wii. Again this is not the trend of Europe. PS2 sales for european countries barely make 1% of the total.

There are lot's more trends like this but you get the point which i am trying to make.

So in terms of reporting the figures what i was asking was would it make sense to have the charts for the week just be in regional form i.e Americas,Europe,Asia etc?

I understand doing the software side of it is far more tricky as you have explained and i appreciate that.

Almost 75% of the vote would like a Europe chart it would seem. It is a shame that it does not seem possible.